Conversely, since you do believe in "trickle down economics", you do think it will help?
Rachel is that you?
They didn't burn the house down. They didn't act like terrorists.
They said we need to make serious budget cuts without tax increases and stuck to their guns.
Obama wanted to blame the greedy rich and play class warfare.
He ended up folding like a cheap lawn chair.
Don't be bitter, .
Why was the debt-ceiling along with the risk of defualt and the debt-downgrade a good time to make all those points? Why couldn't they have made a good faith bipartisan effort to get their message across? Why was it responsible to risk everything the Tea party did?
Rachel is that you?
They didn't burn the house down. They didn't act like terrorists.
They said we need to make serious budget cuts without tax increases and stuck to their guns.
Obama wanted to blame the greedy rich and play class warfare.
He ended up folding like a cheap lawn chair.
Don't be bitter, .
I get that you're an anti-intellectual, red-neck buffoon that thinks last night's speech caused the market to drop today, so please make an effort to give a good explanation to these questions. And just so that you understand: that means more explanation than the "nuh uh" you gave above. Thanks!
This is the problem. I want Congress to do work for us. I want them to do politics on the campaign trail, not in DC. What we have right now is political chicanery and nothing gets done. And I say this about both parties. One thing Barry was spot on last night is that a lot of people don't have 14 months to wait around watching them around.
I get that you are a ing idiot. "intellectual"?
It was politics. Both sides played. Obama folded.
And don't give me that "bi-partisan" crap. There was no bi-partisanship on either side. Of, Obama "talked" compromise and made vague non-committal statements in his teleprompter speeches but he NEVER produced any written plan.
You shouldn't be so butt hurt.
So you have no explanation why using the debt-ceiling was responsible politicking?
So other than showing that you have problems writing sentences, how is this not you admitting that at least one side is making a gesture towards cooperation while the other are terrorists?
So lemme get this straight: CC thinks the Tea party aren't terrorists because Obama never produced a written plan?
lol anti-intellectual redneck buffoon
Well, Barry definitely did get the debt ceiling raised, and AFAIK, no spending cuts to be seen yet. Not sure who "folded". The thing is, building uncertainty in a weak economy and acting like mercenaries didn't particularly sit well with me either. Don't like it when the Dems do it either.
It was just a stupid ing thing to do - there was absolutely 0 reason why the issue of government spending had to be tied to the debt ceiling. I don't think anyone seriously thinks that government spending isn't a problem - but don't risk default to have your way.
Plus it's pure fantasy thinking you can make enough cuts to balance the budget with these historically low tax rates, tbh. Even more so if you don't want to touch defense spending.
There's a place to discuss that, and that's during budget negotiations.
But it isn't just the debt ceiling. The filibuster has become a seemingly daily use tool to get nothing done. I think it's a legitimate tool for what was intended, and it's being bas ized the way it's being used.
I read that and I reminded of this:
Carl von Clausewitz: "War is a continuation of politics by other means"
Michel Foucault: "Politics is a continuation of war by other means"
Yes, but it's all just rhetoric also.
He said a few things I liked, but that was the intent of that 30+ minute set of lies. To find something to appeal to everyone.
No, it's not all rhetoric. A lot of people don't have 14 months to wait around watching them around.
Why would a conservative hope Obama fails? Under Obama, conservatives have never had it so good. Expanded wars, privatization of public education, rolling back of EPA regulations, further erosion of civil liberties, tax cuts upon tax cuts, wall street -suckery, industry bailouts and on and on. Obama is Bush's third term. Plus you've got the deeply dishonest and ruthless pleasure of trying to frame America's first black Republican President as a dangerous socialist. Genius!
Consider that you've got a so-called Democratic president cynically using a jobs speech to push for cuts to Medicare.
Also the "we've got to slash Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid in order to save it" is the IDENTICAL position staked out by Romney in the previous night's debate.
If Obama wins you get conservative policy, if Obama loses at the very least you get Romney.
Claims that Conservatives want Obama to fail are about as convincing as claims that Obama is a socialist.
I agree, but how do you bring jobs back withing any reasonable time?
Yes Propaganda Dan/Mouse/Cosmored...
We all know the unemployment rate has decreased, but that's because people gave up on looking for work.
Well that and... you know... like, more people had jobs.
Total Non-Farm Employment, Seasonally Adjusted:
October 2009: 129,505,000
August 2011: 131,132,000
Perspectives never to forget:
US has to create 125K+ jobs PER MONTH to keep up with increase in population of new job seekers.
Both parties have been redefining "unemployed" more narrowly for decades, so the numbers look better (smaller) to the party in office, so the 9%+ is way understated.
There are still 5 or 6 job seekers per job offered.
( "They're lazy losers and welfare cheaters. --WC )"
Repugs scorched-earth campaign of pro-cyclical spending cuts will make unemployment worse, their sociopathic strategy for the 2012 campaign. Max pain for the max number of people, and blame it all on Barry.
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While McConnell Opposes Infrastructure Investment, Major Kentucky Bridge Shuts Down Over Safety Concerns
The Sherman Minton Bridge was closed late Friday afternoon and will remain shut down indefinitely after officials discovered cracks in the span.
Will Wingfield, a spokesman for the Indiana Department of Transportation, said officials “do not have an estimate” on how long it will take to repair and reopen the bridge, which carries Interstate 64 traffic across the Ohio River.
But while McConnell insists that Republicans “agree that we must bring America’s infrastructure up to 21st century standards,” his recent record doesn’t show it. When progressives and Democrats argued that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act should be geared toward infrastructure, the GOP under McConnell’s leadership fought to focus it on tax cuts. The Senate GOP derailed a 2010 jobs plan focused largely on infrastructure investment, and if McConnell’s post-speech rhetoric is to be believed, he will be at the forefront of the Republican Party’s opposition to this plan too.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...fety-concerns/
I see...
Don't you think the banks doing harm should have gone bankrupt, allowing those who did things right to provide the good service?
I'm glad.
Well, that's a different point. But it wasn't this administration bailing out the banks either.
We're talking about jobs.
Talking about jobs AND banks ...
BoA is in discussions to cut up 40K jobs over the next few years.
Yves Smith continues his "BoA death watch"
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