My greatest power forwards of all-time list.

[Leetonidas]

Dirk > KG is not a question imo. KG proved for years he was Duncan's shadow and he couldn't step up in clutch time and be the man. He paired up with two of the better wing players of the last decade to win a le while Dirk won his with JET as his best wing player. KG, maybe 10 years ago, was easily the better player but today, not so much. Plus he's an annoying little stain that lies about the he talks to NBA players

[DMC]

Dirk > KG is not a question imo. KG proved for years he was Duncan's shadow and he couldn't step up in clutch time and be the man. He paired up with two of the better wing players of the last decade to win a le while Dirk won his with JET as his best wing player. KG, maybe 10 years ago, was easily the better player but today, not so much. Plus he's an annoying little stain that lies about the he talks to NBA players

Prime Dirk vs Prime KG, I would take KG any day of the week. It's not even close.

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Prime Dirk vs Prime KG, I would take KG any day of the week. It's not even close.

apparently you prefer having s shoved up your ass then

[Jodelo]

Prime Dirk vs Prime KG, I would take KG any day of the week. It's not even close.

Good luck.

[FkLA]

lets put it this way

David Robinson was a much more complete player than Shaq, and its not even close. In a way, Shaq was a one-trick pony, in that he would simply overpower his opponents. But Shaq's one trick of extreme physical dominance, was still better then all of D-Robs very good tricks of versatility, which is why Shaq is always considered a greater player than Robinson, and is viewed by many as the greatest center to ever play (or at the very least, in the discussion), whereas you never hear Robinsons name in that discussion (except by homer spurfans).

KG is a much more complete player than Dirk. But Dirk's ability to raise the level of his teammates play, and to score at will on any defender, is superior to all of KG's various abilities in which he was superior to Dirk, such as being a stronger defender and rebounder.

Holy , yall homers never cease to amaze me

You do know that for the majority of his career Dirk has been second tier right? During the early-mid 00s he was not anywhere close to the Top PFs in the game...Duncan, KG, and Webber were in a league of their own. He was also in nobody other than Mav homers top 5 list during that time frame --TD, Shaq, Kobe, Tmac, Kidd, KG, Webber, and AI were all better. So dont compare Dirk to Shaq, during his early years and prime Shaq was never second tier. Dirk's dominance doesnt even remotely come close to Shaq's. Not to mention Shaq despite being lazy had more of a defensive presence than Dirk ever did, and was also a better rebounder. A couple of elite years and one year at the top of the league doesnt bump him into #2 in the all-time PF list, not when he wasnt even #2 for most of the time during his own era.

Also yall s need to stop pointing out how weak his offensive help was this year to somehow prove that he doesnt need a good supporting cast...hes had more than sufficient offensive help during his career (Finley, Nash, Jamison, Walker, Howard, Terry, Butler, etc) that was never the problem. The problem was defense, and his inability to impact the game on that side of the ball. This year defensively his supporting cast was a great one. He was the worst defender in that starting line-up. Aside from that that 'weak' offensive supporting cast stepped up big on that end as well, Dirk had plenty of help.

[FkLA]

you can even throw in Jermaine O'Neal pre-injury as a PF that was better than Dirk during that time frame. Might even be able to make a case for Sheed. Dirk was barely in the Top 5 PFs during most of his own era, yet now hes supposed to hold the #2 spot of all-time?

[Giuseppe]

apparently you prefer having s shoved up your ass then

Reminds me of DoK & I's courtship.

[DMC]

apparently you prefer having s shoved up your ass then

I give Dirk his props, but too many young'uns either don't know or have memory lapses.

Prime KG would ing kill Dirk, totally destroy him. Dirk would get points, but remember that basketball is played on both ends of the floor.

Dirk has offense, nothing else.

[Axe Murderer]

you can even throw in Jermaine O'Neal pre-injury as a PF that was better than Dirk during that time frame. Might even be able to make a case for Sheed.

oh wow

[Monostradamus]

you can even throw in Jermaine O'Neal pre-injury as a PF that was better than Dirk during that time frame. Might even be able to make a case for Sheed. Dirk was barely in the Top 5 PFs during most of his own era, yet now hes supposed to hold the #2 spot of all-time?

"most of his own era"

You gotta be certifiably re ed to think 1999-2004 was Dirk's "era"

[nowhereman523]

Holy , yall homers never cease to amaze me

You do know that for the majority of his career Dirk has been second tier right? During the early-mid 00s he was not anywhere close to the Top PFs in the game...Duncan, KG, and Webber were in a league of their own. He was also in nobody other than Mav homers top 5 list during that time frame --TD, Shaq, Kobe, Tmac, Kidd, KG, Webber, and AI were all better. So dont compare Dirk to Shaq, during his early years and prime Shaq was never second tier. Dirk's dominance doesnt even remotely come close to Shaq's. Not to mention Shaq despite being lazy had more of a defensive presence than Dirk ever did, and was also a better rebounder. A couple of elite years and one year at the top of the league doesnt bump him into #2 in the all-time PF list, not when he wasnt even #2 for most of the time during his own era.

Also yall s need to stop pointing out how weak his offensive help was this year to somehow prove that he doesnt need a good supporting cast...hes had more than sufficient offensive help during his career (Finley, Nash, Jamison, Walker, Howard, Terry, Butler, etc) that was never the problem. The problem was defense, and his inability to impact the game on that side of the ball. This year defensively his supporting cast was a great one. He was the worst defender in that starting line-up. Aside from that that 'weak' offensive supporting cast stepped up big on that end as well, Dirk had plenty of help.

You keep saying the same things, and, believe it or not, you're still wrong.

Dirk was all-nba his 3d year, and 1st team all nba starting 04-05. He hasn't had an all-star that wasn't an injury replacement on his team since Nash left. By 2004-05, he was finishing top 3 in MVP races while Garnett wasn't in the top 10, in 05-06, Garnett didn't even make an ALL-NBA team. I don't think one of the 4 best power forwards of all time would miss an ALL-NBA team in his prime. Dirk's been better since Garnett since 02-03. Deal with it.

[BlackSwordsMan]

I would choose dat dirk over dem shaq tbh

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you can even throw in Jermaine O'Neal pre-injury as a PF that was better than Dirk during that time frame. Might even be able to make a case for Sheed. Dirk was barely in the Top 5 PFs during most of his own era, yet now hes supposed to hold the #2 spot of all-time?

this pretty much screams out "i love to be anally probed by black men"

I give Dirk his props, but too many young'uns either don't know or have memory lapses.

Prime KG would ing kill Dirk, totally destroy him. Dirk would get points, but remember that basketball is played on both ends of the floor.

Dirk has offense, nothing else.

um, prime KG got his ass handed to him by a young, developing Dirk. KG struggled heavily in the series trying to defend Dirk, and ended up getting his ass swept.

[Proxy]

you can even throw in Jermaine O'Neal pre-injury as a PF that was better than Dirk during that time frame. Might even be able to make a case for Sheed. Dirk was barely in the Top 5 PFs during most of his own era, yet now hes supposed to hold the #2 spot of all-time?

How many times did KG lead Minny to the le?

[FkLA]

You keep saying the same things, and, believe it or not, you're still wrong.

Dirk was all-nba his 3d year, and 1st team all nba starting 04-05. He hasn't had an all-star that wasn't an injury replacement on his team since Nash left. By 2004-05, he was finishing top 3 in MVP races while Garnett wasn't in the top 10, in 05-06, Garnett didn't even make an ALL-NBA team. I don't think one of the 4 best power forwards of all time would miss an ALL-NBA team in his prime. Dirk's been better since Garnett since 02-03. Deal with it.

I'll give you 05' as the year where it became really close, the edge to Dirk in 06-07, KG in 08', and Dirk since then. Again this hasnt been the 2nd best during most of his own era yet now hes supposed to be 2nd all-time? GTFO with that homer .

2000
KG-1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 2nd MVP voting
Dirk-none

2001
KG-2nd Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 6th MVP voting
Dirk-3rd Team All-NBA

2002
KG-2nd Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 12th MVP voting
Dirk-2nd Team All-NBA, 8th MVP voting

2003
KG-1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 2nd MVP voting
Dirk-2nd Team All-NBA, 7th MVP voting

2004
KG-1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, MVP
Dirk-3rd Team All-NBA, 10th MVP voting

2005
KG-2nd Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 11th MVP voting
Dirk-1st Team All-NBA, 3rd MVP voting

2006
KG-2nd Team All-Defense
Dirk-1st Team All-NBA, 3rd MVP voting

2007
KG-3rd Team All-NBA, 2nd Team All-Defense, 9th MVP Voting
Dirk-1st Team All-NBa, MVP

2008
KG-1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defense, 3rd MVP Voting
Dirk-2nd Team All-NBA, 11th MVP Voting

2009
KG-1st Team All-Defense
Dirk-1st Team All-NBA, 10th MVP Voting

[FkLA]

How many times did KG lead Minny to the le?

Zero, but he was the best player on the 08' Boston team that won it all. Look up those rosters for those Minny team too or better yet post them on here.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah Dirk being better than KG since sometime during the 2004-2005 season is def. arguable, but Idk how Dirk's been better than KG since 2002-2003 when KG won MVP during the 2003-2004 and led a supporting cast to 60 wins and the WCF.

[FkLA]

"most of his own era"

You gotta be certifiably re ed to think 1999-2004 was Dirk's "era"

Well yea I guess your right, to call it Dirk's era the would actually have to have been relevant during that time instead of being second-tier. Obviously meant to say during the era he played in, thanks for catching my mistake.

Did go overboard with the Sheed and JO comment though, just giving yall homers a taste of your own medicine

[FkLA]

Yeah Dirk being better than KG since sometime during the 2004-2005 season is def. arguable, but Idk how Dirk's been better than KG since 2002-2003 when KG won MVP during the 2003-2004 and led a supporting cast to 60 wins and the WCF.

That was actually the season they aquired Cassell and Spree and his supporting cast stopped being . Cassell was an all-star and Spree had a legit case for being on that team that year as well. Then Minn management ed it up by refusing to pay Spree during the 'I need to feed my family' incident, or Spree became greedy however you wanna look at it. Casell was injured for that WCF too and KG was bringing the ball up the court for that series, so with a healthy Cassell who knows how far those s get especially with how dysfunctional LA was in 04'.

[Nathan89]

That was actually the season they aquired Cassell and Spree and his supporting cast stopped being . Cassell was an all-star and Spree had a legit case for being on that team that year as well. Then Minn management ed it up by refusing to pay Spree during the 'I need to feed my family' incident, or Spree became greedy however you wanna look at it. Casell was injured for that WCF too and KG was bringing the ball up the court for that series, so with a healthy Cassell who knows how far those s get especially with how dysfunctional LA was in 04'.

Nevermind read the entire post.

[Proxy]

Zero, but he was the best player on the 08' Boston team that won it all. Look up those rosters for those Minny team too or better yet post them on here.

You mean, the 2008 Boston team that had three HOFers sign on together, a la 2011 Miami Heat, which we all consider pretty much cheating? That team?

KG's team is no excuse. Dirk stayed with the Mavs. He went through the champs, and defeated the cHeat. KG on the other hand, decided to be a part of a contending team that was cheaply assembled over the off season.

So no. Kg's ability to play defense does not make up for the fact that he's just as much a loser as Lebron and Bosh. His defense does not make up his inability to become the leader that Dirk was this recent season, or that TD ever was, or any of the other top PFs. He was AI at the PF with defense. When KG signed with Boston (and almost with LA), his actions admitted he wasn't good enough. Stats are out the window at this point, because you're comparing players at different tiers.

Dirk takes a team with no fellow all-stars, and wins. When was the last time we saw that?..... let me think.... oh yeah, Duncan's 03 Spurs.

[DMC]

How many times did KG lead Minny to the le?

During the years he played for Minny, the same number that Dirk led Dallas to the le.

[FkLA]

You mean, the 2008 Boston team that had three HOFers sign on together, a la 2011 Miami Heat, which we all consider pretty much cheating? That team?

KG's team is no excuse. Dirk stayed with the Mavs. He went through the champs, and defeated the cHeat. KG on the other hand, decided to be a part of a contending team that was cheaply assembled over the off season.

So no. Kg's ability to play defense does not make up for the fact that he's just as much a loser as Lebron and Bosh. His defense does not make up his inability to become the leader that Dirk was this recent season, or that TD ever was, or any of the other top PFs. He was AI at the PF with defense. When KG signed with Boston (and almost with LA), his actions admitted he wasn't good enough. Stats are out the window at this point, because you're comparing players at different tiers.

Dirk takes a team with no fellow all-stars, and wins. When was the last time we saw that?..... let me think.... oh yeah, Duncan's 03 Spurs.

Yes, that team. Finals MVP or not he was the best player on that team. He made that Boston defense.

And how can you not blame KG's teams? Just take a moment to look at those rosters or post them, the one year he did have two legit players in Cassell&Spree he reached the WCF and w/o the injury to Cassell who knows how much farther. That only lasted a year and Minny management/Spree managed to the situation in Minny up again. Dirk's 'weak' supporting cast this year was better and deeper than any cast KG ever had in Minny, even that 04' cast outside of Cassell&Spree was below average.

Was Dirk more loyal? Sure, but Dirk was also in a better situation in Dallas with Cuban willing to throw money left and right. KG wasnt going anywhere in Minny with that limited small-market budget and incompetent management.

[DMC]

this pretty much screams out "i love to be anally probed by black men"



um, prime KG got his ass handed to him by a young, developing Dirk. KG struggled heavily in the series trying to defend Dirk, and ended up getting his ass swept.

lol

Tim Hardaway, Mike Finley, Steve Nash, Dirk, Nick Van Exel, Juwan Howard

vs

KG and Wally


Also, the All Star argument is a piss poor one. It's a popularity contest, where players are voted in by fans. Yao Ming doesn't even play and gets voted in.

[FkLA]

lol

Tim Hardaway, Mike Finley, Steve Nash, Dirk, Nick Van Exel, Juwan Howard

vs

KG and Wally

Its hilarious that prior to Spree&Cassell arriving Wally was the best player KG had ever played alongside (unless you want to include a young disgruntled Marbury or an aging Brandon)...yet his teams are no excuse for why KG lost, he simply wasnt as good as Dirk.