Duncan's numbers per 36min last year were on par with his career other than points. Even then he was 3 fewer than the previous year.
Duncan has never been the scorer that Dirk has. Sure he's had moments, but his averages per season and playoffs don't match Dirk's. Duncan's prowess lies in his all around game, and that's where I argue that KG was better than Dirk in their primes.
I argue that Dirk didn't have a good defensive game in the Min series. Someone shows his blocks and I counter with Raef's blocks, at which time the same someone dismisses Raef's blocks as evidence he was a better defender than Dirk.
People are too apt to use Dirk's recent success to argue his early year greatness. It's revisionist history. The outcome of the games doesn't indicate either players' ability in relation to one another, since they did not face the same challenges.
When a player can fuel the offense AND anchor the defense, then we are talking. That's what KG did. Dirk did not.
There's no arguing that KG was more of a complete player than Dirk.
But ultimately you want the guy who is the more dominant player. David Robinson was a more complete player than Shaq was but you obviously (even though there's a lot of dumb s here that wouldn't) take Shaq over D-Rob because he was more dominant.
And of course you'd know this, because after all....
And Prime KG still only shot 43% in the series against the twin towers of defensive suck. Because Prime KG was just so goddamn good.
So again,
-Dirk is guarded by dominant defender and all around basketball genius Prime KG.
-Prime KG is guarded by ass defenders.
In that scenario, it would be natural for one PF to shoot 43% and suck balls, and the other to drop 30+ every night while shooting over 50%.
If you want to talk about how Prime KG's ty supporting cast was so bad Dallas should have swept by default, fine. Even so, please explain how Prime KG, going up against the defensive inep ude of Dirk, LaFrentz, and Bradley, managed to suck offensively. And then further explain how Prime KG's defensive dominance allowed Dirk to take a big fat all over him in the series, meanwhile guys like Ryan ing Bowen find ways to slow Dirk down.
tbh bad example because GNSF is re ed enough to take D-Rob over Shaq every day of the week, except on Sundays when D-Rob is busy chasing Rodman around with a Bible.
It's not that KG was a more complete player than Dirk, but that KG's all around game was overall more effective to the team's success than Dirk's.
Like I said, the guy that can anchor both ends of the floor is my pick.
If Dirk had a good defensive game, that would obviously change things. Defense wins championships.
I would probably take Shaq over David. That's because Shaq could anchor the defense and score at will.But ultimately you want the guy who is the more dominant player. David Robinson was a more complete player than Shaq was but you obviously (even though there's a lot of dumb s here that wouldn't) take Shaq over D-Rob because he was more dominant.
Would you take Durant over KG? Durant is a better scorer.
It balances out.
KG wasn't that great, but in comparison to Dirk, he was better overall. I weight defense more than offense.
Once again you are only using offense as a marker.So again,
-Dirk is guarded by dominant defender and all around basketball genius Prime KG.
-Prime KG is guarded by ass defenders.
Offensive marker againIn that scenario, it would be natural for one PF to shoot 43% and suck balls, and the other to drop 30+ every night while shooting over 50%.
You keep going back to Dirk's ability to score the ball. No one here has argued against that, certainly not me, and even KG cannot stop Dirk from scoring. No one can.If you want to talk about how Prime KG's ty supporting cast was so bad Dallas should have swept by default, fine. Even so, please explain how Prime KG, going up against the defensive inep ude of Dirk, LaFrentz, and Bradley, managed to suck offensively. And then further explain how Prime KG's defensive dominance allowed Dirk to take a big fat all over him in the series, meanwhile guys like Ryan ing Bowen find ways to slow Dirk down.
Dirk's offense is so good that he's considered to be a great player simply because of it. He's one of the few big men I recall who've won a Finals MVP and never been on an All NBA Defensive Team.
So for offense: Dirk
For Defense: KG
Since a team has to have both, I take KG. What he lacks in dominant offense he makes up for in defense to the point that you can put a Ray Allen and Paul Pierce around him and pretty much destroy the league. Also, you can get points from elsewhere, but no defense = no championship.
I don't think the scales of justice would tip nearly as bad if Dirk joined Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.
A guy who never made it farther than the WCF as a lead guy was more effective than a guy who led teams to 2 Finals winning one?
No. When Durant actually leads a team to a le we can make that comparison
I understand that KG is a ######freak who was better at making athletic spearchucker plays in his prime while having fake intense looks on his face, but I'm gonna go with the guy who will put up even better stats and lead his team to the championship any day of the week
You're moving the goalposts. Neither guy made it to the Finals that year.
A guy who never made it farther than the WCF as a lead guy was more effective than a guy who led teams to 2 Finals winning one?
According to you, KG did not lead a team to a le so the comparison is valid.No. When Durant actually leads a team to a le we can make that comparison
Neither of you can avoid using these logical fallacies. One of you sets the condition, then the other violates it in support of the first.
KG's offense was better than Dirk's defense. Dirk's offense was not better than KG's defense. That is to say, Dirk did not stop KG from scoring and could not stop KG from scoring. No one can stop Dirk from scoring because of his size and technique. However, KG can get stops that Dirk cannot, and KG can score the ball fairly well. The edge for Dirk is only in offense, and it's not as great as the defensive edge that KG holds.
KG is probably the best defender in the last 10 years or so. Dirk is maybe 2nd or 3rd best in offense, if that.
All Defensive Teams do not predicate themselves on mean facial expressions and chest beating.
Better offensive stats. Try to keep it honest.I understand that KG is a ######freak who was better at making athletic spearchucker plays in his prime while having fake intense looks on his face, but I'm gonna go with the guy who will put up even better stats and lead his team to the championship any day of the week
Last edited by DMC; 09-11-2011 at 02:13 PM.
No I'm not. Every time I mention Dirk's offense, it automatically means Prime KG's defense comes into question. If Prime KG was so superior defensively, how did Dirk drop 30+ every night shooting over 50% from the floor?
Conversely, if Prime KG had subpar defenders on him all series, how does that explain his ass shooting percentage, missed free throws, turnovers (12 TO's in a 3 games series), etc?
In the end, in that series, Dirk dominated at one end of the floor and, despite the stats saying otherwise, I'll humor you and say he was subpar on defense.
Meanwhile, Prime KG was dog at both ends of the floor, clearly indicated by his offensive numbers, plus the numbers put up by the man he was defending.
Mathematically it looks like this -
1 + 0 = 1
0 + 0 = 0
meaning 1>0
therefore, Still Developing Dirk dominated Prime KG
Why do yall re ed homers keep using that example? Shaq's dominance was much greater than Dirk's ever was, just offensively. On top of that Shaq was a defensive prescence inside, he blocked and altered alot of shots. He was also a superior rebounder. He has 3 2nd Team All-Defense selctions, and a 2nd place finish for DPOY. The was lazy and couldve had alot more selections but regardless of that trying to put him in the same one-dimensional light as Dirk is just stupid and desperate. But maybe if you keep saying it enough with nothing to back it up it will come true!
Also since when does one series determine who the better player is, god damn these homers latch on to anything to protect their beloved Dirk...I guess B-Diddy was a better player and leader than Dirk since he and his Warriors completely pushed Dallas' in in 07'.
If Dirk and Baron Davis played the same position and guarded each other in the series, your point might not be completely re ed.Also since when does one series determine who the better player is, god damn these homers latch on to anything to protect their beloved Dirk
If you want to say Baron Davis is better than Devin Harris, be my guest.
Yall s need to stick to regulating and your crew battles cause your takes are absolute and dripping with Dirk's . Notice how mostly all non-Mav posters have said KG>Dirk. Youve had Spurs, Cs, Pistons, Cavs, and Lakers fans all give their take and basically everyone rates KG higher. But I guess all of them are wrong and butthurt, right ?
Last edited by FkLA; 09-11-2011 at 04:05 PM.
btw all I'm arguing is the in mongoloids who said Prime KG would "dominate" Prime Dirk head to head. It already happened and Still Developing Dirk kicked the living out of Prime KG in their head to head matchup (not even looking at the score of the game, just their individual matchup).
That year they did destroy the league. They came through Texas and beat the out of everyone including your precious Dirk.
I dont think I said B-Diddy was a better PF and leader dip . I said hes a better player and leader. Theyre both players, they dont have to play the same position to compare their impact on the game. So does that series and how brutally the Warriors and Davis pushed Dallas in, make him a better player and leader than Dirk?
homer
That's a who would you pick now poll made after the 2009 Finals. Even I said Dirk has been the better player since after the 2008 season. We're talking all-time though re .
Why did KG miss an all-nba team in his prime? If you wanna talk revisionist history, lets talk about all this nonsense that KG was ever a "dominant" player.
And if no one was watching Dallas games back in 02-03, no one sure as was watching T-wolves games. You weren't watching the games, you're not gonna go by the clear cut results.. just let it go.
Dirk has scored 30+ in games against many different teams in the playoffs, even when his team has been swept. Does that mean the opponent's defense was ty?
You are still using Dirk's scoring as a marker.
You are pretending Dirk was defending KG.
Conversely, if Prime KG had subpar defenders on him all series, how does that explain his ass shooting percentage, missed free throws, turnovers (12 TO's in a 3 games series
The stats don't say otherwise if you take his entire team into account and do the same for Dirk. It wasn't one on one.In the end, in that series, Dirk dominated at one end of the floor and, despite the stats saying otherwise, I'll humor you and say he was subpar on defense.
Raef was guarding KG. Dirk never guards the big man on the other teams because he cannot. This gives Dirk the freedom and mobility to roam and shoot over smaller defenders and this is why TC was required in Dallas before Dallas could get over the hump.Meanwhile, Prime KG was dog at both ends of the floor, clearly indicated by his offensive numbers, plus the numbers put up by the man he was defending.
Meanwhile KG has a load of All NBA First Defensive Team selections and second team selections. He also has All NBA Team selections (9).
Dirk has one more All NBA Team selection than KG.
Is the selection committee that biased for that long?
When you resort to the Culby response, you've already admitted defeat.Mathematically it looks like this -
1 + 0 = 1
0 + 0 = 0
meaning 1>0
therefore, Still Developing Dirk dominated Prime KG
So if I point out to you that Dirk scored a ton of points against Denver but won only one game, you will point to Dirk's teammates as the reason, however when Dirk scores a ton of points and wins the game, it's the piss poor defense of the compe ion.
Also, if KG's defense is so poor, what's the big deal that Dirk scored?
Last edited by DMC; 09-11-2011 at 04:59 PM.
The same way Dirk missed the All Defense team his entire career.
Because Dirk was more dominant than Garnett. It's no wonder your dumbass goes to UTSA
We're comparing their careers
No, I just think Garnett was better than Durant.
So?
So?
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