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[ElNono]

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There could be an argument to be made that some in the media sensationalize the Tea Party. You're just not very good at making the point. The fact that you are trying so hard to convince people that the original video you posted represents proof of union violence severely undercuts your argument.

What are you still ing about, Yoni?

[Yonivore]

Go read post #1. You wrote it. If that's not the topic, what's you point, Yoni?

I've already answered that question in several posts, to your direct question. I've established it in several more before you got on this jag about interrogating me over what is the point of this thread.

You're either stupid or being deliberately obtuse. Which is it?

I would lay money Mr. You is a staunch Democrat who voted for Barack Obama for President. Mr. You is a core cons uent of Barack Obama's. How do we know this? Barack Obama is a butt boy to the Unions. His Presidency is pregnant with Union influence and involvement.

The media has never, ever made the connection between union violence -- and there have been countless incidents from the SEIU during Obamacare, the Public Employees in Wisconsin, and the Longshoremen in this latest incidence -- between Unions (a core cons uency of the Democrat Party) and the Democrat Party and it's leaders.

Jared Loughner was a nut who killed and injured due to an insanity motivated by a perceived slight dealt him by Congresswoman Giffords. He's not a Tea Party member, we don't even know if he votes or identifies with a political ideology. But, from the moment he pulled the trigger, the media went to great lengths to paint this as violence instigated by the Tea Party vitriol. Then they spend days and weeks feeding that narrative...even after it was determined to have no role in the shooting.

Georgia Congressman John Lewis claims he was called a ###### and spat upon while walking through a Tea Party protest. The media pounced. When several video recordings of the event pretty much proved it never took place, there were no retractions...in fact, I'll bet many believe it still happened even though some of the original claimants have backed away from the claim.

The media plays favorites. That's been my point this entire thread.

Clear enough?

[Yonivore]

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What are you still ing about, Yoni?

You don't think the video, in the opening post, is representative of the violence in unions?

Perhaps you need it put in context.

Mr. You belongs to a local that had -- earlier that day -- participated in a violent act involving the taking of hostages and vandalism.

Not only that, there have been several other videos posted demonstrating union violence.

Where's the counter? Where are the videos of Tea Party violence? And, why are they consistently portrayed as a violent movement by the media?

[ElNono]

The media has never, ever made the connection between union violence and the Democrat Party and it's leaders.

Why don't you call Fox and tell them to do it? I'm sure they'll be glad to get your input.

[ElNono]

You don't think the video, in the opening post, is representative of the violence in unions?

Not really, no. I don't think all unions members are like that at all.

You still haven't proven that either.

[ElNono]

Mr. You belongs to a local that had -- earlier that day -- participated in a violent act involving the taking of hostages and vandalism.

Where's the video of that, Yoni?

[ElNono]

Are they still translating the do ents?

[Yonivore]

Where's the video of that, Yoni?

You doubting it happened?

[Yonivore]

Are they still translating the do ents?

Who's changing the subject? Who's moving the goalposts?

[ElNono]

You doubting it happened?

Yes. Where's the video of that guy at wherever you said he was?

[ElNono]

Who's changing the subject? Who's moving the goalposts?

I'm talking about the report of this guy doing the kidnapping you said he did.

Where is it?

[Yonivore]

Yes. Where's the video of that guy at wherever you said he was?

Okay, you have a hard time with relationships.

The news reported approached that local union because they had been involved in the port violence. I don't find it hard to believe Mr. You was involved. But whether he was or not, I think he's presents an accurate representation of those of his violent union brothers that did participate.

My point does not depend on whether or not Mr. You was directly involved -- even though I think it's possible -- but on being able to reasonably conclude they're a violent bunch of pricks. They invade a port and then send Mr. You out to deal with the media with threats and shoving...I can see it.

But, back to my point, because you have trouble staying on topic; if this had been a Tea Partyer shoving the cameraman around and spewing profanity-laced threats at the news reporter, I have no doubt Sarah Palin's name would have somehow been invoked by the media.

You can disagree but, I think precedent is on my side here.

[ElNono]

Okay, you have a hard time with relationships.

I have no problems with relationships. Where's the video of that guy doing kidnapping and whatever else you claim he did?

[ElNono]

So you don't know he did anything you claim he did?

No surprises there, Yoni.

I could just as easily say you were there too.

[Yonivore]

So you don't know he did anything you claim he did?

No surprises there, Yoni.

I'd have to go back and read my posts but, I'm not sure I ever said Mr. You was personally involved in the violence at the port. Additionally, it's not the point of this thread but, you seem intent on not addressing the real point of the thread so why do you continue to post?

I could just as easily say you were there too.

You could but, that'd make about as much sense as saying Sarah Palin was responsible for Congresswoman Gifford's being shot.

Supposing Mr. You was at the port, on the other hand, is a completely reasonable proposition.

Therein lies the difference between you and I; reasonableness.

[ElNono]

I'd have to go back and read my posts but, I'm not sure I ever said Mr. You was personally involved in the violence at the port

How could you possibly make that claim if you don't know that he was?

Supposing Mr. You was at the port, on the other hand, is a completely reasonable proposition.

Not really, no. That guy is a regardless. But far from being representative of the union population. 12% of the workforce is unionized in the country. You would think you'll see more than a YouTube or two if this would be the endemic problem you claim it is.

[Yonivore]

How could you possibly make that claim if you don't know that he was?

I'm not sure I made the claim. But, if I did, so what? I still think it's reasonable.

Not really, no. That guy is a regardless. But far from being representative of the union population. 12% of the workforce is unionized in the country. You would think you'll see more than a YouTube or two if this would be the endemic problem you claim it is.

Back to the point of the thread, there are exponentially more YouTube videos of Union violence than there are of Tea Party violence (In fact, there are none of Tea Party violence) yet, the media will jump to feed the narrative the Tea Party is violent and paint prominent Tea Party members as instigating that (non-existent) violence while, at the same time, report on Union violence -- some of which is instigated by partisan politics such as in Wisconsin and with Obamacare -- and never track that back to prominent Democrats?

Once again, I've restated the point of this thread.

[ElNono]

I'm not sure I made the claim. But, if I did, so what? I still think it's reasonable.

No, it's not reasonable at all. How is it reasonable if you don't know he was there?

Back to the point of the thread, there are exponentially more YouTube videos of Union violence than there are of Tea Party violence

Are there? You went fishing and found just one. ONE. And the guy ended up in jail. What's the problem, Yoni? Justice was served.

[Yonivore]

No, it's not reasonable at all. How is it reasonable if you don't know he was there?

We disagree.

In your world, every act will have to be videotaped to be convincing. In my world, it's reasonable to assume someone as exercised as Mr. You was involved with the rest of his local union brothers in the incident.

I can live with the disagreement.

Are there? You went fishing and found just one. ONE. And the guy ended up in jail. What's the problem, Yoni? Justice was served.

I think I've posted more than one. But, however many there are, it would be that number more than videos of Tea Party violence.

Again, you're attempting to divert from the main topic which, of course, you've yet to even address. And, that is -- once more time for Slow ElNono -- the media has not taken any examples of union violence and tied them back to partisan rancor from the left (even in the face of overwhelming examples of Democrat politicians egging on the unions -- particularly in the Wisconsin situation) when the media has no problem with ascribing acts with unknown motives with political rancor from the right, if it fits a narrative, (i.e., the Gifford's shooting.).

[ElNono]

I think I've posted more than one. But, however many there are, it would be that number more than videos of Tea Party violence.

Only one with violence on it. Unless you consider intimidation and mob mentality violence, in which case the Tea Party has it's own video too.

The fact is that isolated, rare incidents by nuts are that. Isolated and rare. There's probably more union members than Tea Party members and neither really has violence as a trait. That's probably why it rarely, if ever, make the news. I'm sure Fox would be on top of it if union members on their vast majority a violent faction.

But you don't see it, because it only happens in your senile head.

[Capt Bringdown]

Went to bat for them in Wisconsin.

How exactly? Obama hasn't even set foot in Wisconsin since Walker started his war against working people, although he promised to walk the picket line if collective bargaining was threatened.

[Yonivore]

Only one with violence on it. Unless you consider intimidation and mob mentality violence, in which case the Tea Party has it's own video too.

The fact is that isolated, rare incidents by nuts are that. Isolated and rare. There's probably more union members than Tea Party members and neither really has violence as a trait. That's probably why it rarely, if ever, make the news. I'm sure Fox would be on top of it if union members on their vast majority a violent faction.

But you don't see it, because it only happens in your senile head.

Okay, let's see if I can use this to get you to finally address the actual topic.

So why did the media find it so easy to jump to the conclusion there was a connection between the Tea Party and Giffords shooting but can't seem to see a similar connection between the words of Democrat leaders and the violent acts of Unions?

[Yonivore]

How exactly? Obama hasn't even set foot in Wisconsin since Walker started his war against working people, although he promised to walk the picket line if collective bargaining was threatened.

DNC playing role in Wisconsin protests

The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America arm -- the remnant of the 2008 Obama campaign -- is playing an active role in organizing protests against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's attempt to strip most public employees of collective bargaining rights.

Surely, you're not going to pretend Obama has no influence over his campaign organization, are you?

[ElNono]

So why did the media find it so easy to jump to the conclusion there was a connection between the Tea Party and Giffords shooting but can't seem to see a similar connection between the words of Democrat leaders and the violent acts of Unions?

What words of what Democrat leaders? Which Democrat leader was inciting violence? I already asked you for this a couple of times and you always come back empty.

And putting crosshairs in a map where a murder attempt happened, then removing them as soon as they're found certainly points to sending the wrong message. And don't come back to me with the 'survey markers', both you and I know those were crosshairs.

Answer me this while you're at it: How many union members open carry on a political rally? What message is that guy sending? Peace and love?

[ElNono]

“I am the No. 1 target for one more extremist group to defeat this November. We need to have your help for candidates like me. We need you to take out some of these bad guys.”

Is this violent rhetoric, yoni?

Yes or no.