The Tea Party and Ron Paul Cheer for the Uninsured to Die

[JoeChalupa]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09...nsured-to-die/
During the Tea Party debate, a question was asked to Libertarian favorite, Ron Paul. Ron Paul was asked if an uninsured 30 year old has a serious accident, who would pay for treatment under your health plan? Paul tried to run around the question and claim that the uninsured would want the government to pay if they wanted a socialist system, but then he finally got to his real answer.

Ron Paul: That is what freedom is all about and taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to take care of everyone…

(Tea Party crowd cheers)

Moderator: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

(Tea Party crowd screams YES!) Something tells my I hear CC screaming as well.

[boutons_deux]

The problem is perfectly resolved by requiring everyone to be docked from their pay (no caps) for a universal, no-opt-out, public health insurance option. Everybody pays, everybody's covered, no questions asked, no hesitation to seek treatment.

Civilized countries do it, for-greedy-UCA-profit America doesn't.

Paul's position is nothing but the moral and ethical depravity of Ayn Rand's crap. It also puts him at odds with a long-standing American humanitarian policy that taxpayer financed medical facilities be open to anyone without insurance. Paul is so fringe he'll never break 10% in a big election.

The blood-thirsty Repug/tea bagger mob cheering "let the injured die" and also cheering Jimmy Ricky's lose-no-sleep TX execution record is irrefutable proof of their sociopathy.

[ManuBalboa]

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

[ElNono]

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.

Go deliver pizzas.

Not in this economy.

Good luck delivering pizzas and having an extra $200-$300 on the side. Unless you're the owner of the pizza place or single with no kids at 30.

[George Gervin's Afro]

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

What a country! If you happen to lose your job/insurance don't expect other citizens to pitch in for the treatment to give you a chance at life... they probably don't pay federal income tax so they don't deserve ANYTHING


coming from the pro-life crown nonetheless....

[George Gervin's Afro]

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

Mom Loses Job After Kidney Donation
Updated: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011, 9:58 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 5:11 PM EDT

PHILADELPHIA - A Philadelphia mother ready to return to work after giving her son a kidney finds out she doesn't have a job to return to.

If you're a mom, chances are you'd do anything for your child.

Claudia Rendon didn't hesitate when her son needed one of her kidneys.

But she didn't think she'd have to choose between her child and her job.

She's smiling now, but make no mistake, this has been the toughest year of Rendon's life.

"It was the hardest thing i ever had to go through, bury my mother," Rendon said.

Even as Rendon mourned her mom, she found out her father had leukemia, her uncle passed away, and her son's kidneys failed.

"Everything was coming down all at once. I felt like the best thing that happened to me this whole entire year was that God gave me the blessing of being able to give my son my kidney."

Through it all, Rendon showed up to work at the Aviation Ins ute Of Maintenance, in Northeast Philadelphia.

The company teaches would-be mechanics how to fix planes.

Rendon used her vacation time to be with her mother. But she needed a leave of absence to donate her kidney to her son.

"She saved my life basically,” says Alex Rendon. “Who else can say their mom gave them life two times?"

Before she left, she says her boss made her sign a paper, saying her job would not be guaranteed.

Sure enough, late last week, her supervisor told her he had hired someone else.

Fox 29 tried to find out why the Aviation Ins ute Of Maintenance fired someone the company itself describes as a good employee.

"I have no comment and I'll have ask you to leave," said Rendon's former boss.

The company had the right to terminate her employment under FMLA, or the Family Medical Leave Act. FMLA covers an employee for 12 weeks and Rendon took off less time than that. But she also worked for a small company with under 50 employees, and those companies operate under different FMLA rules.

A company representative also said it was in its legal rights to let Rendon go.

if she has complications..she knew the 'risk' of donating her kideny to her child could cost her job.....so she should accept that it's her time and just die already..


sincerely,

the christian right

[boutons_deux]

If Allah wills it ...

[Winehole23]

The problem is perfectly resolved by requiring everyone to be docked from their pay (no caps) for a universal, no-opt-out, public health insurance option. Everybody pays, everybody's covered, no questions asked, no hesitation to seek treatment.

So you and RP agree on the free rider problem, you just differ on the remedy.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09...nsured-to-die/
During the Tea Party debate, a question was asked to Libertarian favorite, Ron Paul. Ron Paul was asked if an uninsured 30 year old has a serious accident, who would pay for treatment under your health plan? Paul tried to run around the question and claim that the uninsured would want the government to pay if they wanted a socialist system, but then he finally got to his real answer.

Ron Paul: That is what freedom is all about and taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to take care of everyone…

(Tea Party crowd cheers)

Moderator: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

(Tea Party crowd screams YES!) Something tells my I hear CC screaming as well.

Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

[cheguevara]

at the tea party crowd. They remind me of the audience at the Running Man tv show:

[Viva Las Espuelas]

People cheering remind you of tea party people??? You get reminded during sporting events as well?

[Th'Pusher]

Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

He went on to say it should be paid for by charity/churches, which is unrealistic.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

He went on to say it should be paid for by charity/churches, which is unrealistic.

I don't think that's an accurate complete summary of what he said. He did mention charity and churches but I don't think he said they "should" pay for it. I'm just going off memory though.

[mingus]

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

[Bill_Brasky]

Paul has a good foreign policy, domestic not so much. But it's an answer I would expect out of someone who believes that there should be literally zero government interference with our lives.

[ManuBalboa]

ITT: people butthurt there are still people in this world who prefer to be responsible for themselves

I can understand how seeing people on tv cheer at the idea of a man having to accept the negative consequences of his foolish choice intimidate you knowing you could not survive on your own in such a world.

There's a difference between Running Man Crowd and Tea Party crowd who just wants you to pay your own fking bills tbh imho irl kthxbye. It's not like the Tea Party crowd are all top 1%'ers. They are getting up at 5am and working their ass off to afford their bills just like the rest of us.

[Th'Pusher]

ITT: people butthurt there are still people in this world who prefer to be responsible for themselves

I can understand how seeing people on tv cheer at the idea of a man having to accept the negative consequences of his foolish choice intimidate you knowing you could not survive on your own in such a world.

There's a difference between Running Man Crowd and Tea Party crowd who just wants you to pay your own fking bills tbh imho irl kthxbye. It's not like the Tea Party crowd are all top 1%'ers. They are getting up at 5am and working their ass off to afford their bills just like the rest of us.

So they hypothetical 30 year old with no insurance is taken to the hospital in need of urgent care. What is the doctor to do?

[ManuBalboa]

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

How stronger would the nation be as a whole, if individuals approached life this way. In the meantime, we can quit worrying about Afghani women and help out single moms in our own country.

[Th'Pusher]

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required...

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

[Phenomanul]

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

How stronger would the nation be as a whole, if individuals approached life this way. In the meantime, we can quit worrying about Afghani women and help out single moms in our own country.

I hear you, but then I guess the Hippocratic oath needs some revisions...

You simply can't box everyone under the sun with such broad sweeping strokes... some jobs (jobs needed by society, mind you) simply don't pay enough and have nothing to do with whether or not someone is lazy (or having children etc...)

[jack sommerset]

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

[George Gervin's Afro]

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

what's your life worth jack? how much money is too much?

[mingus]

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required...

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

Here's the thing: A lot of doctors around the country treat people who are directly responsible for their own bad health: High BP, Diabetes, Heart disease, whether it be from excessive eating, drinking, or smoking. Not everyone BUT ALOT. They do that to themselves. They're affecting their own familly.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Paul has a good foreign policy, domestic not so much. But it's an answer I would expect out of someone who believes that there should be literally zero government interference with our lives.

I don't have much faith in him having faith in other countries to leave us alone if we leave them alone. I just don't buy that.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

But at the same time, I'm not saying we gotta step up our occupation count. Force begets force.