Best Undergrad Degrees by Salary

[silverblk mystix]

I think you're dead wrong. True stress is worrying about the things you can control.

OK genius...if you can control them...then why the would you be stressed?

[cantthinkofanything]

OK genius...if you can control them...then why the would you be stressed?

I'm talking about choices. Stress comes from making choices. Making the wrong choice or passing up the right choice. An apropos example: staying with a job vs trying something different. Something you have total control over.

[GoodOdor]

If I could redo college, I'd put in the effort and get an engineering/science degree. Fresh grads with good grades basically get 60k fresh out of college. Don't get me wrong, accounting/finance will get you to 100k and even beyond, but it will take getting several years of experience+CPA/CFA+MBA.
The good thing is that a lot of companies will pay for your CPA/MBA.
So basically, it's really about how hard you're willing to work.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm talking about choices. Stress comes from making choices. Making the wrong choice or passing up the right choice. An apropos example: staying with a job vs trying something different. Something you have total control over.

Wrong again.

Stress comes from the thinking in your head. Stress happens when your thoughts are telling you to worry...when your mind is busy trying to fix things that don't need fixing. People spend all their time trying to fix things. Things don't need to be fixed...you don't have to rearrange the world...it is a precarious position to be in when you think you have to arrange the world to suit your tastes.

Then, for about five minutes, when the world suddenly fits your tastes you experience a brief respite....followed by stress and tension because now...that you achieved a short thrill from having some craving satisfied...now you have to try and NOT lose it...so you are right back where you started....trying to re-arrange the world to fit YOU again....

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.

Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless .

[cantthinkofanything]

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.

Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless .

If I was single, I might buy into this. But that doesn't work with a wife and daughter.

[cantthinkofanything]

^ and I don't mean " " as . Just mean that way of thinking.

[silverblk mystix]

If I was single, I might buy into this. But that doesn't work with a wife and daughter.

Deprogramming your brain works on any human being and it only improves your life and your family's life. No exceptions.

Or you can continue to bump into life and reality over and over until you die...but you never really lived. You were a robot...programmed from birth to death.

People don't want to hear this though...it is too hard to face the truth that maybe you have lived your entire life the wrong way. Asleep and mechanically programmed to be unhappy.

[TE]

Double major in finance and accounting with a minor in mathematics. I think I'll do alright. Shoulda just double majored in math and finance since I'm already pretty bored with accounting.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't it take longer to double major in the fields you mentioned rather than just get an MBA after qualifying for one of those majors?

Would getting an MBA in your case not lucratively benefit you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't it take longer to double major in the fields you mentioned rather than just get an MBA after qualifying for one of those majors?

Would getting an MBA in your case not lucratively benefit you?

Not in my situation because I started college with so much math already I only needed 12 addition math classes to complete a math minor and UA's business school is set up where you just need one extra semester to double major in finance if you start in accounting.

If things go as planned I'll have that double major and minor done after 9 total semesters.

EDIT: 12 math units, not math classes.

[CuckingFunt]

As a male, it's hard to fathom having the mindset that it's ok to be poor as long as I am doing something I like. I like doing things that aren't cheap to do, or I especially like having that option. Options are great things. Being broke means no options, so unless you love your job so much you think about it on your days off, men better marry a woman who also works if they want to venture down the road you are talking about.

I don't think it's the same outlook for straight men as straight women financially. Many women end up married to someone who pretty much bankrolls the venture, and they might have a "fun" job on the side just to occupy time. As a guy who's been working his entire adult life and much of my childhood, I can tell you that "fun" is the last thing that I would ever look for in employment. I like my job, it's not taxing on me and I have more freedom than most people I know, but tbh I would rather be fishing.

Never said I'd be happy being poor. I wouldn't. I grew up poor, I lived paycheck-to-paycheck for a number of years as an adult, and I much prefer supporting myself comfortably, having my bills paid, having good credit, and having nice things.

But neither am I under the delusion that I need a six figure salary in order to have that stability. Or that I would be significantly more happy with a huge house and a flashy car than I would be with a condo and a Beetle. Would I take $100K/year if someone wanted to give it to me? Yeah. And with no kids, I'd probably enjoy the out of it. But I don't need to chase it.

[TE]

How many hours would you take a semester if you stay according to that plan?

I would assume that's like 16-17 hours of coursework per semester, right?

I slacked off so much my first two and a half years of undergrad that I ended up having to take 17 hours each semester thereafter to graduate.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many hours would you take a semester if you stay according to that plan?

I would assume that's like 16-17 hours of coursework per semester, right?

I slacked off so much my first two and a half years of undergrad that I ended up having to take 17 hours each semester thereafter to graduate.

Na prolly around 15. I had a few semesters where I only took 12 units and my next two semester I'll be taking 18 units so it'll average around 15 a semester.

I don't plan on any school after undergrad tho so that's why I have so much . That might change, but if I can get a job with a company I have an in with I'll start off with great pay right out of school with no grad school.

[ChuckD]

You have to get a grad degree to make any kind of money.

Tell that to Gates and Jobs.

[mavs>spurs]

yeah tshlong is a re these degrees are all on here because you actually earn good money on average with only the bachelors...my cousin got his bba in finance and he's a multimillionaire today, not to mention engineers really do make the figures in the OP even with just a bachelors. ironic for a 55 year old bachelor to think he's got it all figured out and hate on a "bachelors" degree

[Nathan89]

There is another way...

You can chase the carrot on the stick your whole life and discover that you will never find happiness by looking for it in material things, accomplishments, achievements,so-called success,etc...

Or you can find out how you were programmed and conditioned since childhood and re-program yourself so you never need anything outside yourself to make you happy.

When you don't crave or need anything you are pretty free to enjoy life regardless of whatever le or label you or society place on yourself.

I have a pretty decent education...it's taken me years to get over it...

Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain this?

**Deep inside you know this is true...but people don't really want truth...because truth means that they might have to give up their cravings,addictions, attachments....which are precisely the things that make them unhappy....

You still don't get it...nor do I expect you to...you have been programmed and brainwashed your whole life and don't even know it...

What makes people unhappy is the thinking in their head-plain and simple. If your thinking is clear...you are under no stress. What is stress but worrying about things that you have no control over anyway.

Just because you have de-programmed yourself doesn't mean that you are unemployed, broke and/or stupid. Well in your case...you will never rise above stupid because you haven't even figured out you are brainwashed.

I have no financial/retirement financial worries because I have worked my entire life and also had some very lucky breaks...the difference is that I have enjoyed every day of my life no matter what I was doing, where I was working, what hat I was wearing or what label or le people tried to place on me...because I had already gone through the pains of to de-program myself and drop my conditioning.

If I fancy a new toy I just buy it...but I don't ever fool myself into thinking that I NEED these things to be happy...these things don't have anything to do with happiness...neither does success...money...fame... les...achievements, etc....those things are all transitory things that come and go...those are just swings of the pendulum.

Happiness is when you don't give a what anyone thinks...you don't have anything to protect and you don't crave stupid transitory things like success, money, prestige, honor and all of that rot.

You better run harder to catch that carrot on a stick....only to discover you were wasting your time and energy on worthless crap.

Silverblk Mystix getting his philosopher on.

I feel everyone needs success in some aspect of their life to be happy.

[MannyIsGod]

S&B's argument is foolish, IMO. It basically boils down to you can be happy if you wish. This is completely true but ironic considering how he's talking about brainwashing. Happiness is different things to different people. I won't disagree that I find it foolish to work all your life just to acquire possessions, but I don't feel the same way about experiences. Everyone should decide for themselves what makes them happy whether that be an actual event or possession or simply telling yourself (as S&B says) that you're happy. I find what S&B proposes to be just as empty if not more so a life than someone who is completely materialistic and uses material possessions to judge the quality of their life.

By nature I'm a curious person and the thing I love to do most of all is travel to new places and see new things. Can't do that without money. Now, I could simply tell myself over and over that I didn't need to do that to be happy until I actually believed it, or I could just work to achieve the goal of seeing new places so that I'm actually happy. In either case I guess I could think I'm happy, but only one of those existences actually seems fulfilling to me.

[Wild Cobra]

There are exceptions to every rule, but in general you are much more likely to make >$80K if you have an advanced degree.

There are some fields where no amount of college can help out. Once you understand how the components work, all farther learning is hands on experience. Notice that those are white collar jobs. There are some blue collar jobs like mine that if you are the cream of the crop, you can make serious bux.

[mavs>spurs]

if you are an immigrant you actually get 20% more cos you dont pay that much tax as others do, am i right DMC?

[silverblk mystix]

Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain this?


** It means that in school they taught us how to think...how to solve puzzles..how to pass tests and read books, etc...BUT they didn't teach us how to LIVE...we weren't taught how to LIVE. We weren't told that in order to live and to be happy..you have to forget all the garbage that was drilled into your head.
**Here's an example; Wherever you go and whomever you meet in your life...you are responding to them from habit...you meet Joe and your computer (brain) goes to work ...Joe,black,male,tall,short,fat,rich,democrat, etc...you stamped poor Joe with a dozen labels BEFORE even saying a word to him...and if some of those labels are negative...well ...even worse. Now all those labels you placed on Joe took away a little of your present perception and clarity-and you are not seeing Joe as he is-you are seeing him from your very clouded perception.
If you want to see clearly and live happy...you must forget everything-smash all the labels and begin to see people and things and life with a clear and clean mind. When you respond to someone-if you want to really see them...you must have sensitivity,consciousness,clarity of perception and accuracy of response. Only then will you actually be seeing people, life, things,etc...
**So you would have to start finding out how is it that you were programmed to place labels on everything..and begin to see things in a fresh state.
****I don't mean mechanical things like driving a car or whatever...these things I am talking about here are spiritual things...not mechanical things. You have to live a moment...live it fully...and then LET IT GO...don't carry it over to the next moment...then the next day...erase all you know and live that day in freshness.




Silverblk Mystix getting his philosopher on.

I feel everyone needs success in some aspect of their life to be happy.

***NEED is the key word here...if you think you NEED anything...you pretty much will get a rude awakening when you discover that those things did not bring happiness. Again...someone will bring up food & water & basic necessities and it is NOT those things I am referring to.

[DMC]

Wrong again.

Stress comes from the thinking in your head. Stress happens when your thoughts are telling you to worry...when your mind is busy trying to fix things that don't need fixing. People spend all their time trying to fix things. Things don't need to be fixed...you don't have to rearrange the world...it is a precarious position to be in when you think you have to arrange the world to suit your tastes.

What you are describing amounts to apathy and those people are the ones who settle for nothing. That's how poverty in a lineage propagates. That's how laziness starts. That nagging voice in your mind is your conscience telling you to get off your ass and do something. "Reprogramming" your mind amounts to accepting a lower standard. The rich love you for it though. Someone has to do the they don't want to do.

Then, for about five minutes, when the world suddenly fits your tastes you experience a brief respite....followed by stress and tension because now...that you achieved a short thrill from having some craving satisfied...now you have to try and NOT lose it...so you are right back where you started....trying to re-arrange the world to fit YOU again....

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.

By reprogramming, aren't you still chasing what you think you want?

Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless .

The term "meaningless " is so ambiguous that it's meaningless in your statement.

What you are saying is that people should lower their expectations, set incredibly passive goals and veg out, smoke pot, drink beer and fart a lot at their trailer while not giving a what the world around them does. Eventually they will themselves and sit in it for days because hygiene is just a programmed construct that you have overcome.

Sounds like hyperbole, but doesn't it eventually devolve into that?

[silverblk mystix]

S&B's argument is foolish, IMO. It basically boils down to you can be happy if you wish. This is completely true but ironic considering how he's talking about brainwashing. Happiness is different things to different people. I won't disagree that I find it foolish to work all your life just to acquire possessions, but I don't feel the same way about experiences. Everyone should decide for themselves what makes them happy whether that be an actual event or possession or simply telling yourself (as S&B says) that you're happy. I find what S&B proposes to be just as empty if not more so a life than someone who is completely materialistic and uses material possessions to judge the quality of their life.

By nature I'm a curious person and the thing I love to do most of all is travel to new places and see new things. Can't do that without money. Now, I could simply tell myself over and over that I didn't need to do that to be happy until I actually believed it, or I could just work to achieve the goal of seeing new places so that I'm actually happy. In either case I guess I could think I'm happy, but only one of those existences actually seems fulfilling to me.

Well it is understandable and a reasonable person's first conclusion is that it boils down to being happy if you wish. It goes deeper than that.

Did it ever occur to you that we-all of us-were programmed to be unhappy?

Here's what happened;
Instead of being allowed to to enjoy the things in life like play,laughter,etc...we were instead given a list of things which we were told we NEEDED to be happy. Here's one list...a great job, a beautiful wife or husband, success, money, god, possessions, etc...
We were told that if we did NOT get these things we would be....guess what;
unhappy, a failure, looked down upon, etc...

We became cravenly dependant on these things as soon as we bought this...we swallowed it whole..we began to strive and work...to get that attention, applause, approval,etc...

Now...you have forgotten that you were not born with these things and you see them as facts...not as brainwashing...you-me...everyone...has built their lives on these lists and we work our asses off to try and check off these items on this list to ...get this...to reach happiness...to be successful...to be accepted...to be well regarded....on & on...

Here's something to think about....

In the WEST ...people hate their jobs...they endure this and say to themselves...they will enjoy their life when they are off of work...or when they are on vacation...or retire...always putting off happiness and living until AFTER WORK!
I did this for years...we all have...we were brainwashed into thinking that happiness is a holiday pleasure cruise...

Here's another way...a different way...

In some parts of the world...here is a typical Zen training...

These guys go to learn to be a Zen master and they can't wait to start learning secrets of the universe and becoming enlightened, etc...
What do they do? The Zen masters put them to work washing dishes, digging weeds, cleaning up , etc...
WHY?
It is taught that whatever you are doing....be there...be in that moment...live that moment....taste it...be aware of where you are...be aware of what you are doing...love that moment...and then let it go. The next day they might be sweeping...and they learn to love that moment...etc...

If you go through life loving everything you are doing...you won't have to wait to go home or on vacation to fully enjoy your life you will always he happy in that moment....

If you are washing a cup to have some tea and you are thinking of something in the future, your bills, your day, etc....you are lost...you are not washing the cup anymore you are a robot doing a mechanical thing...if you enjoy and fully live the moment when you wash the cup...you are starting to get it....and when you drink the tea---you don't drink it and fantasize about next week or last week---you drink the tea....you taste the texture...enjoy the aroma feel the liquid in your taste buds...in your body...

They have tea ceremonies...where the whole purpose is to enjoy the tea and NOTHING ELSE!

Try that in the WEST with all these super multi-taskers!!!!

You don't just decide to tell yourself to be happy....you learn about your programming and smash all of it...throw all that garbage away (not mechanical skills)...and forget everything....

When you next see or relate to your beloved try this....

Instead of seeing your girl -for example- and you see a ....female,sweet, short, tall, pretty, label-label-label----

Try to see...a fluffy moving object whose eyes sparkle and whose smile curves this way or that and a bouncy fresh human being with her own ways, her own mannerisms....and update this image constantly---with whatever is happening at that moment---as if it were the FIRST time you had ever experienced her....

and the next day...erase all that and start fresh again...

Try this and you will make a nice discovery worth more than any degree or plaque on the wall....

Or hate on me and call me crazy...it amounts to the same....

[DMC]

***NEED is the key word here...if you think you NEED anything...you pretty much will get a rude awakening when you discover that those things did not bring happiness. Again...someone will bring up food & water & basic necessities and it is NOT those things I am referring to.

That's a slippery slope.

The pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. It's why we live in the first place. If all we needed was food and water, we could live in a flower pot.

The funny thing about Zen is that, in the West, it's a rich person's game. Rich people have already chased and caught their goal.

So flip those burgers and be in the moment, and don't crush my toasted buns (no ).

[silverblk mystix]

What you are describing amounts to apathy and those people are the ones who settle for nothing. That's how poverty in a lineage propagates. That's how laziness starts. That nagging voice in your mind is your conscience telling you to get off your ass and do something. "Reprogramming" your mind amounts to accepting a lower standard. The rich love you for it though. Someone has to do the they don't want to do.
By reprogramming, aren't you still chasing what you think you want?
The term "meaningless " is so ambiguous that it's meaningless in your statement.




*** Wrong...faulty assumptions...apathy is losing respect for yourself and not caring about anything...this is not apathy...it is being free from cravings...you still work--but you enjoy the work...you enjoy the play...everything...

**If you are reprogrammed....you are not chasing...you have DIED to the need for things - the need for outside things to fulfill your inside.

What you are saying is that people should lower their expectations, set incredibly passive goals and veg out, smoke pot, drink beer and fart a lot at their trailer while not giving a what the world around them does. Eventually they will themselves and sit in it for days because hygiene is just a programmed construct that you have overcome.

Sounds like hyperbole, but doesn't it eventually devolve into that?

***Wrong, yet again.

I have worked all my life...still working...where did I promote laziness? Or being a trailer living imbecile?
Nowhere...these are labels that you have been programmed to apply whenever you are prompted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are some fields where no amount of college can help out. Once you understand how the components work, all farther learning is hands on experience. Notice that those are white collar jobs. There are some blue collar jobs like mine that if you are the cream of the crop, you can make serious bux.

I think you're just a dumb who thinks he makes serious money but really doesn't.

[JoeChalupa]

Different things make different people happy. For some, it is traveling, for others it could be as simple as spending time with loved ones which for me is priceless and doesn't need to cost a penny. It does seem that happiness is pushed as going on vacations, nice homes, nice cars as we see it everyday in commercials. You do need to make money to provide for your family but the how much differs for everyone. Money CAN buy happiness but happiness doesn't always come with a price tag.