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    Thats exactly the point I just made in the other thread. I think the election is about as close to a toss up as it ever will be at this point but I don't think Obama really has anymore of an uphill battle than any other candidate. When you consider just how poor the economy has been and all the bad press Obama has recieved (outside of Bin Laden when was the last time you heard a story where Obama was viewed positively?) that it is still a toss up says a lot, IMO.
    I think it speaks to how unpopular the Republicans are, not how popular Obama is. The Republicans are putting up '04 Democrat and '96 level Republican candidates (what is it with in bent presidential elections?) It appears the party out of party is conceding.

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    I'd say this actually doesn't bode well for Republican nominees at this point. For them to not be able to have a lead in these kinds of polls at this stage, with the economy in its current state, should be a little troubling. Very reminiscent of these kinds of polls that were taking in 2005, when Bush had an approval rating in the high 30, low 40 %s.
    the proponents of posts that you refer to ain't so bright....

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    obama will sleepwalk through the election vs. a Bachman/Palin/Perry/Frankenstein

    why would democrats not want that?
    Because Obama's not a Democrat

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    An if the USA is so bad, why are millions of people from all over the world still trying to come here?
    Illegal immigrants are LEAVING this country as we speak. Immigration from other countries is down drastically. America isn't the country people try to live in anymore, if I had to guess I'd say there's more emigration out of America than there is immigration these days.

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    Hillary would be the only viable contender in the radar now simply because no other democrat is in a position to raise enough cash to challenge Obama. She won't run. BUT...what if BILL did? There nothing to legally prevent that. Wouldn't that be a hoot? He would kick Obama's ass.

    lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-...s_Cons ution

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    Only way I see it is if Obama himself decided not to run. If the GOP doesn't win the POTUS then it will be an upset win for Obama. It is the GOP's election to lose.

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    Oops. I remembered it differently, that there was just a two term term limit. I thought they could later run again. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Only way I see it is if Obama himself decided not to run. If the GOP doesn't win the POTUS then it will be an upset win for Obama. It is the GOP's election to lose.

    That freaking narcissist? No way in he doesn't run again.

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    Only way I see it is if Obama himself decided not to run. If the GOP doesn't win the POTUS then it will be an upset win for Obama. It is the GOP's election to lose.
    I agree.

    Apparently, John Fund sees that as a possibility. Relevant clip begins at about the 3:00-3:15 mark.



    The Hill.com story mentioned by Fund in the clip (possibly before the 3:00 mark, I don't remember)

    Dems' fate in NY special sparks '12 fears

    “If Turner wins on Tuesday, it will be largely due to the incredible unpopularity of Barack Obama dragging his party down in the district,” wrote Tom Jensen of the Democratic-affiliated Public Policy Polling, one of the firms whose poll had Turner in the lead.
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    A Democratic strategist said Obama has become such a problem for down-ticket Democrats that he was wary of encouraging candidates to run next year. “I’m warning my clients — ‘Don’t run in 2012.’ I don’t want to see good candidates lose by 12 to 15 points because of the president,” said the strategist.

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    That freaking narcissist? No way in he doesn't run again.
    We can only hope.

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    Another brick in the wall?

    Hillary Clinton Rise as Most Popular Politician Prompting Buyers’ Remorse

    The most popular national political figure in America today is one who was rejected by her own party three years ago: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans hold a favorable view of her and one-third are suffering a form of buyer’s remorse, saying the U.S. would be better off now if she had become president in 2008 instead of Barack Obama.

    The finding in the latest Bloomberg National Poll shows a higher level of wishful thinking about a Hillary Clinton presidency than when a similar question was asked in July 2010. Then, a quarter of Americans held such a view.

    “Looking back, I wonder if she would have been a stronger leader, knowing the games and the politics and all that goes on,” said Susan Dunlop, 50, a homemaker in New Port Richey, Florida. “I don’t think she would have bent as much.”
    I wonder which of the Democrats' elder statesmen will draw the short straw and have to approach Barack about possibly not seeking a second term, a la' Lyndon Johnson.

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    Economic team squabbles, rumors of sexism in the White House, Congressional Black Caucus is torn between their cons uents and the President and now, this?

    Why Obama should withdraw

    That's one of his hometown newspapers.

    Democratic consultant James Carville had one word of advice for Obama: "Panic."
    By the way, if you haven't heard that interview with James Carville, I highly recommend. It is comedy gold.

    Also, if you watched Slick Willy on Meet The Press, Sunday morning, he didn't exactly get around to saying Hillary wouldn't be interested in the nomination.

    At the very least, those of you in here who said -- when I started this thread -- there was zero chance Obama wouldn't be the nominee, at least have to entertain the possibility the number is no longer zero.

    Last edited by Yonivore; 09-19-2011 at 05:44 PM.

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    Yet ours has been around for longer than any other democracy - and up until just recently, we were the lone superpower in the world and the greatest country. An if the USA is so bad, why are millions of people from all over the world still trying to come here?
    But this isn't the same democracy as yesteryear... you know, when parties actually stood for something different between them.

    That Congress, the only bipartisan branch of government (claims of activist judges notwithstanding), has a dismal approval rating tells you all you need to know about the current sad state of political affairs.

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    Economic team squabbles, rumors of sexism in the White House, Congressional Black Caucus is torn between their cons uents and the President and now, this?

    Why Obama should withdraw

    That's one of his hometown newspapers.


    By the way, if you haven't heard that interview with James Carville, I highly recommend. It is comedy gold.

    Also, if you watched Slick Willy on Meet The Press, Sunday morning, he didn't exactly get around to saying Hillary wouldn't be interested in the nomination.

    At the very least, those of you in here who said -- when I started this thread -- there was zero chance Obama wouldn't be the nominee, at least have to entertain the possibility the number is no longer zero.

    Hilary is the only person who could mount any kind of challenge. I don't know why you would think Bill has anything to do with her.

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    Why Obama should withdraw

    That's one of his hometown newspapers.
    And that's a conservative columnist. You know, just in case you had no idea.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    And that's a conservative columnist. You know, just in case you had no idea.
    intellectual honesty isn't one of yoni's strengths

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    Yoni linked a column from a Kenyan newspaper?

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    Obama is such a lock that Democrats ought to cross party lines in the primary and support Bachman....

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    And that's a conservative columnist. You know, just in case you had no idea.
    I didn't know but, if so, he's a David Brooks type conservative. If you read his articles, he was praising Obama last month on his Libyan victory. Not exactly the Conservative line.

    David Brooks, another ostensible "Conservative" columnist that has been blowing Obama , for some time now, is equally disillusioned with The One

    Obama Rejects Obamaism

    If he's losing moderates (even if you want to call them conservatives), he's toast.

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    God I hate the two party system.

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    God I hate the two party system.
    I think we all do, but what can we do in creating a system better?

    If we get three parties, the one with the most members will win.

    We cannot easily change our cons ution.

    How can we realistically make things better?

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