I'm interested to see what the SEC does. Go to 14 or 16?
The ACC will be at 15 with UCONN and then will add 1 more from BE for 16.
The SEC would then be at 13 with A&M. Mizzou and WV seem like the only viable options for them.
Unless you see the B1G starting to get involved and inviting Mizzou.
ACC should add Rutgers for the NY/NJ exposure along with UConn.
Everything I'm hearing has A&M, Mizzou and West Virginia to their existing 12, which means they need one more (hence possibility of TCU? makes sense geographically and adds another solid football program and furthers the conferences exposure in Texas).
What about the big10 during all of this. Sit back and watch everyone expand and strengthen their conferences?
It'd be cool if the Big-10 did something crazy and under the wire like adding Boise State. I'm actually surprised that there's been absolutely no talk about Boise potentially joining a big conference during all of this.
I've heard their "academic" prestige keeps them from pursuing certain teams that make some sense (Kansas schools, Louisville and Cincinnati). They are already at 12, so they are looking at a few options, but if they don't land Mizzou or leverage Notre Dame into joining the conference entirely, then I'm not sure what they will be doing.
I think ideally they land Mizzou, leverage Notre Dame into joining, then maybe reach south and add Rice and maybe sees if it can't pilfer Vanderbilt from the SEC. All four of which make sense for academic prestige (much the same way they added Northwestern), Notre Dame is Notre Dame, and Missouri and Vanderbilt help in a few sports, and Rice adds a strong baseball program.
Boise adds nothing but football. Not any other athletic program, not anything academically.
They have been quiet. Delany has said they would expand only to add quality and not quan y.
If the B1G does not land Notre Dame in this then they would have failed in the expansion game imo.
A lot should happen tomorrow or Tuesday though.
What's the deal with Notre Dame in all of this anyway? Is it almost a sure thing they can't remain independent anymore once the Big East dies and they'll no longer have a basketball only conference?
If ND joins a conference it will be the big10. If Big10 invites missouri, they would also accept in a heart beat. Those would be 2 quality pick ups for them.
If the Big East dies and other conferences go to 16 ND is pretty much forced to join a conference at that point for their Olympic sports, and I doubt they want to join the Mountain West or Conference USA.
This. It'll be Big-Whatever should they. Same with Missouri. If these two join, then maybe they concede a bit on the academics and add Kansas schools, but if not, Rice and Vandy fit their mold.
So this will be the pod structure, I am hearing. Done deal...
The same thing I said in the quoted post below holds true in football halved:
So three games vs. pod, and six vs. two from each other pod. This creates an Arizona schedule like this every year:Technically Arizona could have a CA game every year with even that original pod structure so long as the schedule has a home-n-home series vs. your pod (6 games) and 2 from remaining three pods (6x2=12 games). That's 18 games, same as now. So if the CA has it's own pod, UA would play HnH vs. USC and Stanford one year and UCLA and Cal next, ensuring a conference game in both southern and northern California every year.
Non-Con
Non-Con
Non-Con
ASU
Colorado
Utah
vs. CA School
@ CA School
vs. NW School
@ NW School
vs. Plains School
@ Plains School
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Got it. That's not so bad then I guess.
No. Not at all, really. The schedule could actually favor Arizona vs. what my earlier proposed balanced pod was.
Yeah depending on what effect it has on recruiting that schedule could turn out really good. Next step is introducing our 2012 football coach Mike Leach.
Probably, but I like Richt if available more.
Leach will end up somewhere over there. UCLA maybe?
He's been linked to UA pretty strongly. UA likes to run his system already, so the offensive base is already here to a nice degree. Just bring in more talent on the O-line and defense, largely.
If Leach ends up at a Pac-12 school other than UA I'll be pretty pissed
And you would think the pods would be split into mini-pods/pairs, no? For example, Arizona vs the Plains schools... I doubt they'd go home/home with OU and UT for two years then go Ok St/Tech for the next two. There'll be balanced pairs I'd assume if this structure holds.
had me here:
lost me here:
then maybe reach south and add Rice
Leach seems like the A&M of coaches. Nobody wants to hire him until he gets this lawsuit thing behind him.
I like Tubbs, but he is boring as .
I miss the entertainment value of the Pirate.
I didn't know there was still a pending lawsuit involving Leach. Is it still about that lazy n!gger Adams who's daddeh used ESPN to sabotage Leach's career?
A lesser program like UA should just hire him before his lawsuit is settled, if he'll become a commodity once his lawsuit is settled it means there might be better programs with coaching vacancies trying to hire Leach. After Stoops is gone this year UA can't waste time hiring a coordinator who'll need several years to establish himself, they need a big name head coach who'll keep UA semi-relevant.
As for your comment about Rice, it's basically every reason other than football or basketball. It didn't make any sense to me at first why major conferences had interest, but they offer an elite baseball program, great academic school, and it opens up the Houston area for recruiting/TV ratings.
LUBBOCK, Texas (AP)—The Texas Supreme Court on Friday said it wants more information in Mike Leach’s lawsuit against Texas Tech, a fresh sign of life for the fired coach’s claims against the school.
The state’s highest civil court asked Leach and Texas Tech to file briefs on the merits of the case by Sept. 19.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...exastech-leachI think TV market attractiveness get overblown in these rumors.As for your comment about Rice, it's basically every reason other than football or basketball. It didn't make any sense to me at first why major conferences had interest, but they offer an elite baseball program, great academic school, and it opens up the Houston area for recruiting/TV ratings.
If big markets were really that attractive, then TCU, SMU, Rice and UH would all be in big time conferences.
Rice also has an extremely low enrollment.
No way does Rice go Big 10.
heres an interesting idea i saw on barking carnival in regards to how this could work (a bit long though)
Divisional Pod Structure for determining a Champion in a 16 team football conference.
Too Long, Didn’t Read:
1. Allow teams to play the schools in their 4 school region every year.
2. Allow teams to visit the other three regions once a year and have a team from the other 3 regions visit them once a year.
3. Codify the unstated law that ‘the season is the playoff’.
4a. Reduce the chance of a championship rematch to below 20%.
4b. Eliminate the possibility of a rematch in a fair way.
4c. Create a fun, exciting new paradigm for conference post season that eliminates the possibility of a rematch in a fair and lucrative way.
I’m a nerd. A big nerd. I really like to think about the best way to crown champions in sports. So when I say that this Pac 16 thing not happening hurts my soul, I’m not kidding. It is like an entire imaginative side of my self was enticed by Lucy and then the ball was pulled away at the last second. And then beat with a club.
I’m putting this out anyway in the hopes that one day the 16 team super conference will become a reality and the head of the compe ion committee will stumble upon this doing a google search. Also to see if anyone is as crazy as me.
When doing something like this the media message is very important. The 16 team WAC failed at this and their Quadrant system failed miserably and was confusing to fans. The media message is this:
Win your division. Win your pod. Play for the championship.
Here is how it works. When each team is put in a pod and a divsion:
The Pods:
There are 4 regional pods. This allows for the maintaing of long standing rivalries.
East:
Texas
Texas Tech
OU
Oklahoma St.
Mountain:
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
California:
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Northwest:
Oregon
Oregon St.
Washington
Washington St.
The Divisions:
The two divisions will be rebalanced every two years to allow for both even compe ion and road trip diversity. Each pod sends two teams to each division:
Rose Division:
Texas
Oklahoma St.
Arizona St.
Utah
USC
Stanford
Oregon St.
Washington
Fiesta Division:
OU
Texas Tech
Arizona
Colorado
Cal
UCLA
Oregon
Washington St.
A team plays every team in its pod and every team in its division. Texas’ schedule would look like this:
Texas Tech
@OU
Oklahoma St.
Arizona St
@Utah
USC
@Stanford
Oregon St.
@Washington
In this structure Texas gets a road trip to each region every year. This great for fans as well as for recruiting exposure. Due to the striking regional symmetry of the Pac-16 teams in the same sub region(Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Rocky Mountain, LA, San Fran, Oregon, Washington) can be split into separate divisions ensuring media and/or road trip access to every sub region every year.
The following three scenarios can be used for determining a champion in the league:
A. Traditional Divisional Champions:
After running this model 50,000 times through my computer, a rematch only occurs 19.94% of the time. This is a 20% improvement over a straight up 8 team division, play everyone in your division + 2 cross divisional games. This is a pretty big deal as rematch are against the very core of college footballness.
B. Alt-Championship:
In this model, the way to guarantee you get a spot in the championship game is to ‘Win your Division and win your Pod.’ 80% of the time your championship will not need to employ the alt championship rule. In an alt-championship scenario the traditional championship game would be a rematch. The only way this can happen is if the team that won the other division was in the same pod as you.
Say that Texas and OU both finished 8-1 in their division and there were no other 8-1 teams in the divisions. Texas and OU compete in the East Pod. Who won? Was it a 3 way tie? If so, only two teams are represented here so use the head to head tie breaker. Say Texas won their pod. They stay in the championship game and OU is booted out for the next highest place finisher in the the Fiesta Division that has not played Texas. 85% of the time this will be the 2nd place team. This equates to about 3% of the seasons that a 3rd place finisher would end up in the le game.
C. A new Paradigm. The Championship weekend.
In this system you do not have one championship game. You have 2. The season can end in one of 5 ways. 3 of them are crown a conference champion very cleanly and make up occur in 97.6% of model seasons simulated
Type 1: 61.7%
The 2 divsional winners have not played each other and the 2 second place winners have not played each other. In this scenario you play a Championship game and 3rd/4th place game.
Type 2: 15.6%
The 2 divisional winners have played already but neither has played the 2nd place team from the other league. The 2 games consist of the Rose Champ vs. Fiesta 2nd and Fiesta Champ vs. Rose 2nd. The team with the best record against the league after these games is the champion. The extra 2 games give you the head to head ammo you need to break any ties.
Take the following example:
Rose
———
1. Arizona State (6-3) Division Record.
2. Washington (6-3) Division Record. Defeated Utah
3. Utah (6-3) Division Record. Lost To Washington
4. Oregon State (5-4) Overall Record. Defeated Oklahoma State
5. Oklahoma State (5-4) Overall Record. Lost To Oregon State
6. Stanford (4-5) Division Record. Defeated Texas
7. Texas (4-5) Division Record. Lost To Stanford
8. Southern California (4-5) Division Record.
Fiesta
———
1. Arizona (6-3) Record.
2. Oregon (5-4) Overall Record. Defeated Colorado
3. Colorado (5-4) Overall Record. Lost To Oregon
4. UCLA (4-5) Record.
5. Washington State (3-6) Division Record. Defeated California
6. California (3-6) Division Record. Lost To Washington State
7. Oklahoma (3-6) Division Record. Defeated Texas Tech
8. Texas Tech (3-6) Division Record. Lost To Oklahoma
Rocky Mountain
———
1. Arizona (2-1) Alone in the Division.
1. Arizona State (2-1) Defeated Utah.
2. Utah (2-1) Lost To Arizona State.
3. Colorado (0-3) Record.
Arizona State would play Oregon. and Washington would Play Arizona. If both Arizona teams won, leaving two teams at 7-3, Arizona would get the trophy because they beat Arizona St. during their pod play.
In this system you can never take a week off because you never know when that game may end up being a de facto ‘Championship’ game.
Type 3: 20.36%
The top two teams haven’t played so they play a championship game. The second two teams have played so we have to break the tie between them and then go get a second team that the tie winning team hasn’t played.
Type 4: 2.02%
In this scenario the top two teams have played and one of the divisional champs has played the 2nd place team in the other division. We have to go down a rank and get a different team. You then decide the champ like in Type 2.
Type 5: 0.2%
In this scenario All of the 1st and 2nd place teams come from the same pod. For example. Texas, OU finish 1st in their divisions and Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech finish 2nd. Here we just go down to the 3rd place teams to find a match for the Divisional champions.
I love the championship weekend. I think it is lucrative for TV and really fun for fans. It also removes the annoyance of rematches that have ruined a number of college football seasons. Plus, more quality football.
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