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    How would an individual get $15,500 worth of deductions?
    Have you ever filed a tax return?

    Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.

    Pretty easy, actually.

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    Have you ever filed a tax return?

    Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.

    Pretty easy, actually.
    I haven't. But I do know that not many people who file singly can claim all those deductions together.

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    If they had NO DEDUCTIONS they would still only pay the 25% rate on $15,000 which makes it what...$3750?

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    Was anyone actually buying that bull about millionaires paying less taxes than secretaries?

    Even the capital gains rate is probably more than the rate your typical secretary would have to pay.
    You didn't read anything, did you?

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    If they had NO DEDUCTIONS they would still only pay the 25% rate on $15,000 which makes it what...$3750?
    Wait, isn't it 25% on anywhere between $34,500 – $83,600?

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    Wait, isn't it 25% on anywhere between $34,500 – $83,600?
    We're assuming someone with a 50k salary. 50-35 = 15.

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    Have you ever filed a tax return?

    Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.

    Pretty easy, actually.
    , if you rent your office space at $1K/mo, that's $12K in deductions right there.

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    We're assuming someone with a 50k salary. 50-35 = 15.
    Why are you subtracting 35?

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    I don't think Cosmic is right that they get taxed only on what they made over 35.

    Well, what I mean is, the below 35 also gets taxed, IIRC, at a lower rate.

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    0-8.5k = 10%
    8.5k - 34.5k = 15%

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    Now, if you made your money from dividends, then brackets don't matter. You pay 15% over it, whatever the amount.

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    So, a person grossing 50K would pay:

    10% on the first 8.5K = $850
    15% on the 8.5K-34.5K (26K) = $3900
    25% on the remaining $15.5K = $3875

    Total tax: $8625 which is a little over 17% nominal

    That's with no deductions, obviously. I don't think you get to write off deductions from dividends though.

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    So, a person grossing 50K would pay:

    10% on the first 8.5K = $850
    15% on the 8.5K-34.5K (26K) = $3900
    25% on the remaining $15.5K = $3875

    Total tax: $8625 which is a little over 17% nominal

    That's with no deductions, obviously. I don't think you get to write off deductions from dividends though.
    But you can offset your losses against your gains, right?

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    A person grossing 100K:

    ( $ 8,025 minus 0 ) x .10 : 802.50
    ( 32,550 minus 8,025 ) x .15 : 3,678.75
    ( 65,725 minus 32,550 ) x .25 : 8,293.75
    ( 100,000 minus 65,725 ) x .28 : 9,597.00
    Total: $ 22,372.00

    The actual tax rate is about 22.37%

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    But you can offset your losses against your gains, right?
    Yes. Also, if your ordinary income tax bracket is either 10% or 15%, then your capital gains tax rate is 0%. Anything higher it's 15%. Meaning, that if you made ALL your income from capital gains, then your tax rate is effectively zero.

    Neat uh?

    More details here

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    Yes. Also, if your ordinary income tax bracket is either 10% or 15%, then your capital gains tax rate is 0%. Anything higher it's 15%. Meaning, that if you made ALL your income from capital gains, then your tax rate is effectively zero.

    Neat uh?

    More details here


    Your tax advice is pure bull .

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    A usually dependable lackey for the Obama administration, the Associated Press fact-checked his speech and came up with some interesting facts.

    Of course, these are facts the Right has been holding out all along but, it's heartening to see the Left media is finally fed up with Obama.

    FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?

    Key grafs:

    The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
    ...
    There may be individual millionaires who pay taxes at rates lower than middle-income workers. In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. But that's less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.

    This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

    Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.

    Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.
    And, finally...
    The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year.
    When are they going to pay their fair share?

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    Your tax advice is pure bull .
    How so?

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    A usually dependable lackey for the Obama administration, the Associated Press fact-checked his speech and came up with some interesting facts.
    You didn't read this thread, did you, yoni?

    What do you think we're discussing?

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    Your tax advice is pure bull .
    Pretty sure your example of capital gains on a primary home sale was completely wrong so becareful about tossing around those stones.

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    You didn't read this thread, did you, yoni?

    What do you think we're discussing?
    Nope, didn't read it. Plus, it seemed to be off the rails anyway.

    Let's get back to the elephant in the room. As Barack Obama said, back in 2009, raising taxes during a recession is stupid. Did we suddenly find ourselves in a better economic position than when he said that?

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    Married couples get a 500,000 deduction on capital gains from a primary home sale and individuals get 250,000 assuming they've lived in it 2 years or have a qualifying exception.

    http://taxes.about.com/od/taxplannin...e_sale_tax.htm

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    Nope, didn't read it.
    It shows. You just re-posted the same article that's on the OP.

    Catch up.

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    It shows. You just re-posted the same article that's on the OP.
    It didn't appear y'all were talking about the article any longer.

    I'm up. The AP took Obama to the woodshed. The liberals are going to take him down themselves. It's a beautiful thing.

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    It didn't appear y'all were talking about the article any longer.
    Actually, we were. You just didn't read.

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