Should Kobe have given Paul Pierce his MVP after the '08 Finals?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wow. A whole 1.4 more points and .2 assists!

I can play that game too and say Duncan's last two years as a player past his prime brings down his overall average, But I don't make excuses.

And I already disproved your second point. Don't know why you keep restating it.

no you didnt

Duncan's championship runs
22/12/3
25/15/5
24/12/3
22/12/3

lol

3/4 of his le runs are mediocre

[midnightpulp]

If you say so fam. What I know is, you start the thread popping off about 39 this, and fg% that....then when Duncans -stains come to light you want to start copping pleas. If you want to eat that cake you can't have the too.

And if you want to talk giving MVP's back, 3-14 should have gave his up in '02 when Kobe shut the door on his le dreams, for not the first and damn sure not the last time.

What pleas? I totally acknowledged the fact that 3-14 in a game of that importance is ty, and have further acknowledged all of Duncan's ty performances. Try it sometime, it's something Kobe homers like yourself are fully incapable of doing without qualifying. "Waaahhh, b-b-but he 15 rebounds!" "Waaahhh, b-b-but he had no help and was playing with Smush and Kwame!"

And why would Duncan give his MVP back in '02 when he actually outplayed Kobe in that series?

See, here's a time where I can make a supporting cast excuse, but I won't, because I'm not a Kobe fan.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What pleas? I totally acknowledged the fact that 3-14 in a game of that importance is ty, and have further acknowledged all of Duncan's ty performances. Try it sometime, it's something Kobe homers like yourself are fully incapable of doing without qualifying. "Waaahhh, b-b-but he 15 rebounds!" "Waaahhh, b-b-but he had no help and was playing with Smush and Kwame!"

And why would Duncan give his MVP back in '02 when he actually outplayed Kobe in that series?

See, here's a time where I can make a supporting cast excuse, but I won't, because I'm not a Kobe fan.

*not in the 4th quarter

kobe outscored the Spurs team by himself and hit the gamewinner in game 4, and in game 3 he scored 11 points 5-5 shooting and got the win

[LkrFan]

And it would also suggest that Iverson is better than Kobe.

Lol PPG.

Bad comparison. Del Harris had Kobe in a seat belt his first 1.5 years in favor of HOF Eddie Jones (sarcasm). Meanwhile AI came in chucking it up since day one. But I'll take that comparison. Even though Kobe barely played his first two years, he still did his thang.

Drafted in the same year, here is where they rank all-time:

6.Kobe Bryant 27,868

17.Allen Iverson 24,368

There is a 3,000 point gap between the two and they came in the same year with AI being their #1 scoring option from day one. BTW, where is AI right now? Also, is AI going to the HOF? We know Kobe is 1st ballot. Next

[LkrFan]

TS% shows Kobe hasn't been the best player on his team in the regular season or the playoffs in a championship year.

John Hollinger, is that you?

[midnightpulp]

*not in the 4th quarter

kobe outscored the Spurs team by himself and hit the gamewinner in game 4, and in game 3 he scored 11 points 5-5 shooting and got the win

You mean game 4 where he shot an amazing 37 percent and scored 28 points on 27 shots? Yeah, let's ignore how ty he played and focus on a game winner.

Great example, bro

[LkrFan]

PER is worthless! But TS% isn't!!!

Hey - that's MY schtick!!

[midnightpulp]

Bad comparison. Del Harris had Kobe in a seat belt his first 1.5 years in favor of HOF Eddie Jones (sarcasm). Meanwhile AI came in chucking it up since day one. But I'll take that comparison. Even though Kobe barely played his first two years, he still did his thang.

Drafted in the same year, here is where they rank all-time:

6.Kobe Bryant 27,868

17.Allen Iverson 24,368

There is a 3,000 point gap between the two and they came in the same year with AI being their #1 scoring option from day one. BTW, where is AI right now? Also, is AI going to the HOF? We know Kobe is 1st ballot. Next

Airballing against Utah?

[Deuce Bigalow]

You mean game 4 where he shot an amazing 37 percent and scored 28 points on 27 shots? Yeah, let's ignore how ty he played and focus on a game winner.

Great example, bro

He outscored the Spurs team by himself in the 4th quarter, matching the Spurs whole 4th quarter point total in the final ~3:00 of the game

[LkrFan]

the best player in the 2000s with 5 championships and 3rd alltime in playoff points not top 10?

...and 6th all time in points. He will pass Shaq sometime next year.

[Deuce Bigalow]

there are 4 players in NBA History with 5 championships and multiple finals MVPs, can you name them?

someone can answer this?

[LkrFan]

Airballing against Utah?

Yep - as a 17 year old.

[midnightpulp]

someone can answer this?

No one is answering your re ed question because, well, it's re ed.

I can cherry pick too.

How many players are there with at least 4 championships and 3 Finals MVPs?

*Hint, Kobe isn't one of them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No one is answering your re ed question because, well, it's re ed.

I can cherry pick too.

How many players are there with at least 4 championships and 3 Finals MVPs?

*Hint, Kobe isn't one of them.

the problem is that Manu was the real deserving 05 Finals MVP

[midnightpulp]

the problem is that Manu was the real deserving 05 Finals MVP

Ahhh, how cute. Stamping your feet, wishing for things to be true when they aren't.

If Manu was the real Finals MVP, why weren't his stats better in that series? Also, get back to me when Manu is the primary defensive anchor for the Spurs.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ahhh, how cute. Stamping your feet, wishing for things to be true when they aren't.

If Manu was the real Finals MVP, why weren't his stats better in that series? Also, get back to me when Manu is the primary defensive anchor for the Spurs.

2005 NBA Finals

Manu Ginobili - 18.7 ppg on 63.6 TS%, 5.9 rpg, 4.0 apg

Tim Duncan - 20.6 ppg on 47.1 TS%, 14.1 rpg, 2.1 apg

[midnightpulp]

2005 NBA Finals

Manu Ginobili - 18.7 ppg on 63.6 TS%, 5.9 rpg, 4.0 apg

Tim Duncan - 20.6 ppg on 47.1 TS%, 14.1 rpg, 2.1 apg

So Duncan averages 2 more points and 8 more rebounds and 2 less assists. And I believe he averaged 2.5 blocks more as well. And quit with the TS%, no one takes that seriously. Manu still shot better, but Duncan being far superior in rebounds, blocks, along with being the primary defensive presence, is more than enough to offset Manu's superior shooting.

Thanks for proving my point

[picc84]

What pleas? I totally acknowledged the fact that 3-14 in a game of that importance is ty, and have further acknowledged all of Duncan's ty performances. Try it sometime, it's something Kobe homers like yourself are fully incapable of doing without qualifying. "Waaahhh, b-b-but he 15 rebounds!" "Waaahhh, b-b-but he had no help and was playing with Smush and Kwame!"

Can you quote me on those?

If not, why do I give a what somebody else says. Can I just assume any time any spurfan poster here says something, he's speaking for you too?

And why would Duncan give his MVP back in '02 when he actually outplayed Kobe in that series?

[Jodelo]

and chokes when the games on the line? lol, he is known as one of the clutchest players of alltime

[Leetonidas]

Um Duncan's number's versus the Lakers in 2002 are pretty sick, a lot better than Kobe's, including 34 points and 24 rebounds in Game 5. And beat him in the stat you guys love so much, PPG, 29 to 26.

[Giuseppe]

someone can answer this?

Yep-er-do, it was that last one, that 5th that sealed the deal. And you know what else?

Kobe knew it. Just as sure as the turnin' of the earth.

[Leetonidas]

someone can answer this?

I can do that too;

There's only one player in NBA history to win 4 les and 3 Finals MVPs while winning multiple les without a fellow All-NBA teammate. Can you name him?

Timmy's 4 > Kobe's 5*** easily.

[lefty]

[Giuseppe]

Timmy's 4 > Kobe's 5*** easily.

No.

Kobe: 5

tired old bag Duncan: 4

[Leetonidas]

Giuseppe