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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Over the past several debates, crowds’ reactions have made headlines instead of just the candidates. They applauded Gov. Rick Perry’s execution record and cheered for a hypothetical, dying man without insurance.

    Here’s the transcript of what happened:

    (Army’s Stephen) Hill: “In 2010, when I was deployed to Iraq, I had to lie about who I was, because I’m a gay soldier, and I didn’t want to lose my job.

    “My question is, under one of your presidencies, do you intend to cir vent the progress that’s been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military?”

    (BOOING)

    Santorum: “Yeah, I — I would say, any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military. And the fact that they’re making a point to include it as a provision within the military that we are going to recognize a group of people and give them a special privilege to — to — and removing ‘don’t ask/don’t tell’ I think tries to inject social policy into the military. And the military’s job is to do one thing, and that is to defend our country.

    “We need to give the military, which is all-volunteer, the ability to do so in a way that is most efficient at protecting our men and women in uniform.”

    (APPLAUSE)

    “And I believe this undermines that ability.”

    (APPLAUSE)

    Moderator Megyn Kelly: “So what — what — what would you do with soldiers like Stephen Hill? I mean, he’s — now he’s out. He’s — you know, you saw his face on camera. When he first submitted this video to us, it was without his face on camera. Now he’s out. So what would you do as president?”

    Santorum: “I think it’s — it’s — it’s — look, what we’re doing is playing social experimentation with — with our military right now. And that’s tragic.

    “I would — I would just say that, going forward, we would — we would reins ute that policy, if Rick Santorum was president, period.

    “That policy would be reins uted. And as far as people who are in — in — I would not throw them out, because that would be unfair to them because of the policy of this administration, but we would move forward in — in conformity with what was happening in the past, which was, sex is not an issue. It is — it should not be an issue. Leave it alone, keep it — keep it to yourself, whether you’re a heterosexual or a sexual.”

    According to a Pew Forum poll conducted last year, “By a two-to-one margin, most Americans support allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military (60% favor vs. 30% oppose). The level of support has been consistent in recent years. Majorities of Democrats (67%) and independents (64%) favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve in the military, while Republicans are more divided (47% favor and 43% oppose).”

    And you red teamers think these fools are going to win the moderates and independents?

    why is it all about sex with the conservatives? sex,sex,sex...

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    NPR had a fncking MARINE MAJOR!! on the day DADT died. He came out on NPR.

    A few days later, they checked back with him for reactions.

    He said he got one sergeant who did not object to his gayness but wished he would not not have gone so public with it.

    All the rest of the Marines who contacted him, going back to some he hadn't seen since boot camp many years ago, said for them, he's still a Marine and nothing has changed.

    Repugs, "Christians", tea baggers, are totally out of step with the majority Americans who want to PROGRESS the country, not REGRESS it. (alert: verbing nouns)

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    gays serve openly with no problems in 21st century armies like Germany, UK, France, etc, etc. Welcome to the modern world US Army.

    Che's Rebel Army has been welcoming gays since day 1. Those ers can cook and clean up the encampment rather well. Not to mention our uniforms are the talk of the jungle

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    NPR had a fncking MARINE MAJOR!! on the day DADT died. He came out on NPR.

    A few days later, they checked back with him for reactions.

    He said he got one sergeant who did not object to his gayness but wished he would not not have gone so public with it.

    All the rest of the Marines who contacted him, going back to some he hadn't seen since boot camp many years ago, said for them, he's still a Marine and nothing has changed.

    Repugs, "Christians", tea baggers, are totally out of step with the majority Americans who want to PROGRESS the country, not REGRESS it. (alert: verbing nouns)
    More Republicans support, rather than oppose gays serving openly. My preacher specifically preached in favor of them openly serving not two weeks ago - you are far more bigoted than most of the groups you rail on about.

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    That pissed me off. Bunch of 300lb dumbfuk inbred bubbas booing a goddamned soldier. WTF.

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    And you red teamers think these fools are going to win the moderates and independents?
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    Yes. Obama sucks at his job. It's simple.

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    "you are far more bigoted than most of the groups you rail on about."

    bigoted? moi? I simply observe and comment on, and rail against, the FACTS of tea bagger/VRWC/Repug sociopathic, close-minded regressiveness.

    Your preacher is clearly an exception to the public face of "Christians".

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    Young Christians don't give a about gays bigotboutons.

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    "you are far more bigoted than most of the groups you rail on about."

    bigoted? moi? I simply observe and comment on, and rail against, the FACTS of tea bagger/VRWC/Repug sociopathic, close-minded regressiveness.

    Your preacher is clearly an exception to the public face of "Christians".

    He didn't get booed - he go applause. There were over 600 Christians in attendance - Methodist, btw.

    What is the "public" face of Christianity? The most public is the pope. Has he weighed in on the issue? Next, probably, Billy Graham, or his son, Franklin - probably the most visible Christian leaders in this country today; I couldn't find anything from them. What YOU see, as visible, is what the media wants you to see - what drives ratings. You are being manipulated, and with a bigoted soul, you believe what you already "know" to be true. You are the redneck who sees a 'mescin being lead away in handcuffs and mutters, "figures" to all around him -

    Also, why don't you Google "Christians against Westboro Baptist", and see what that reveals.


    I will pray for you.

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    He didn't get booed - he go applause.
    Zero applause. Plenty of boos.



    boutons is pretty much right on this one

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    I assume 101A was talking about the 600 Christians in his church who, by his account, applauded when his minister supported gays serving openly.

    Which of course isn't what boutons was talking about, but I think 101A was trying to demonstrate that his church is more representative of modern Christianity that the people who booed at the debate.

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    regardless. these GOP/teabagger debates on national tv are showing this party allows/condones and even incites hates for groups like the gays, the mexicans, the uninsured, the poor and the affected by national disasters.

    It's do ented on film. Nobody can deny this. this is why IMO boutons is more right than wrong in his assessment.

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    christian vs christian?

    who should direct?

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    you won't find crookskanks in his church. lol

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    regardless. these GOP/teabagger debates on national tv are showing this party allows/condones and even incites hates for groups like the gays, the mexicans, the uninsured, the poor and the affected by national disasters.

    It's do ented on film. Nobody can deny this. this is why IMO boutons is more right than wrong in his assessment.
    I'm incapable of making value judgements, I am programmed merely to make factual clarifications.

    Beyorp meeeep morg.

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    you won't find crookskanks in his church. lol
    Why are you specifically mentioning me? I made one remark in the DADT thread, and it wasn't even a hateful remark. Should I be flattered that I'm on your mind so much?

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    I assume 101A was talking about the 600 Christians in his church who, by his account, applauded when his minister supported gays serving openly.

    Which of course isn't what boutons was talking about, but I think 101A was trying to demonstrate that his church is more representative of modern Christianity that the people who booed at the debate.
    To clarify:

    After the normal service, our pastor asked us to stick around - that he had something to say beyond the day's sermon.

    He started by saying, "The debt crisis is not the Democrat's fault" - to which there was a quiet rustling, as it IS a largely Republican congregation.

    Then he said, "The debt crisis in not the Republican's fault". (Not so much rustling)

    "The debt crisis can be laid right at the foot of the cross."

    He then explained that the church had failed society to such an extent - in educating, in feeding the poor, in providing guidance and good works that we are, essentially, reaping what we have sown. He then went on to illustrate his point by talking about Westboro Baptist Church, and explaining that we, obviously, should not only not support that kind of distortion of Christianity, but that we ought to stand between haters and sexuals, and say, "you only get to them if you go through me". "Hate the sin, love the sinner", etc... to which there was applause.

    Hope that explains the context.

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    regardless. these GOP/teabagger debates on national tv are showing this party allows/condones and even incites hates for groups like the gays, the mexicans, the uninsured, the poor and the affected by national disasters.

    It's do ented on film. Nobody can deny this. this is why IMO boutons is more right than wrong in his assessment.
    Bull . It shows that the audience had haters. Nothing more.

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    BTW, over 70% of the population of this country defines itself as "Christian". If we, as a group, REALLY didn't want something to happen, it wouldn't. All of the intolerance of, hate for and ridicule toward Christians is done specifically because of their tolerance of such things.

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    Bull . It shows that the audience had haters. Nothing more.
    yup and a good percentage on EVERY debate so far.

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    yup and a good percentage on EVERY debate so far.
    Fair enough.

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    How do you know the people in the audience were not Democrat operatives?

    /wc

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    there were like three people that were booing... hardly representative of the entire audience.

    about what Rick Santorum said about it undermining our military capability or some like that: what inkling does he have that it would do that? i'd like to hear it from the generals on the ground if that's the case.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    How do you know the people in the audience were not Democrat operatives?

    /wc
    Well you'd have to assume they were


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    there were like three people that were booing... hardly representative of the entire audience.
    all it takes is a few bad apples to take things to another level.

    the fact that politicians cater to these bad apples and the rest of the audience allows them to hate is concerning.

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