You notice this too? LOL
suddenly sean elliott and other spurs players suck ass
funny how spurfan loves to twist that kind of to be convenient to their arguments
when arguing for timmy > kobe, they are quick to point out that timmy had no one on par with Pau at his side
then when it comes to the greatness of the spurs, suddenly manu > kobe in spurfan eyes
give it a break, gots.
Like mid said if it came down to athleticism or defense only it's David. Dirk gives you boards and scoring.But his best case is his numbers actually go up most playoff seasons not down, with David that was rarely the case.
I do agree David's teams were not that great, but shouldnt that made his numbers better though probably less efficient.
I watched some Dream Team and ASG footage the other day from David's prime. And athletically he just stands out on "film". To be honest some of the I give Shaq for not maximizing his talents should also fall on David. He kept himself in great shape his whole career unlike shaq, but the fact his post game was never close to Timmy's (hakeem's was almost impossible for normal big men) was a shame. David was kind of like the 7 foot Lebron. An amazing specimen with an incredible size/speed ratio. Besides a college gain Shaq ... David has been the best bigman prospect I have ever seen. But he just did not have the drive of say Duncan or Dirk. No way Tim should be the GOAT spur player, but he is and it is not close.
Back to dirk. i probably do give him the edge over David. And that gap will only grow wider if Dirk has a few more elite seasons. But Dirk overrating is starting to get ridiculous. He was underrated after G-state, A bit overrated right now.
Dirk shot 41% in the Finals.
Can you imagine Robinson shooting that percentage and his Spurs still being able to close out a Finals series?
...with Duncan/pre bag days holding his hand. No.Dirk shot 41% in the Finals.
Can you imagine Robinson shooting that percentage and his Spurs still being able to close out a Finals series?
Only someone who has never watched pre-back injury Robinson could start such a thread. 89'-96' DRob would destroy any of nowaday's frontcourts.
Just imagine a prime DRob guarding ZBo in last season's playoffs lol it's not even funny, he would have averaged over 10 blocks per game.
8 is mighty funny.
tee, hee.
if Robinson was as good as Dirk at utilizing his ability to draw double teams and put his teammates in the best possible position to score, sure.Dirk shot 41% in the Finals.
Can you imagine Robinson shooting that percentage and his Spurs still being able to close out a Finals series?
but he wasnt.
dirk > davey
Mavfan before 11': Dirks supporting cast just isnt good enough. Has nothing to do with Dirk.
Mavfan after 11': Dirk made all the difference, he made the supporting look great out there.
stretch homerism>spurfan homerism
completely incorrect
mav fans have given his supporting cast all the credit in the world for finally stepping up
Dirk has been great for years, and was once again great as usual, just it was more noticable how great he is since they were winning. but make no mistake, his presence makes the game exponentially more easier for his teammates, just like any legit superstar should be able to do.
Dirk > davey
Fair enough, maybe only Dwight in today's game could match David from a physical stand-point. I think Howard's improving post-game in some ways may be slightly better than David's (don't flame me I just don't remember him being that effective) but Robinson's jumper was far more effective ...IMHO.
But David should of been better than he was. He was so graceful watching him block a shot on one end and beat guards down to the other end ...was a thing of beauty.What does his numbers look like without the naval commitment? What he lose? 2 of his prime years?
I still don't see why everyone's getting so butthurt when either side picks one over the other. If anything, sitting here arguing who is better between Robinson or Dirk shows that Robinson didn't maximize his talents and choked a lot in the playoffs and Dirk still has a ways to go to be compared to the big boys.
Like I said before, I'd pick David to build a team around, but it's close. I give Nowitzki the nod in the playoffs and as an overall better talent but David was a much more complete player. His shortcomings cannot be denied though. So really, boiled down:::
Regular season? David.
Playoffs? Dirk.
Despite Dirk's shortcomings on defense his ability to score efficiently from the perimeter on ANYONE makes him a HUGE asset in the post season when defenses get tighter. Even when that happens you have basically a 7'1" shooting guard who can shoot over anyone with high accuracy, and that makes him more valuable imo because he really is unguarable.
i think its moreso mavs fans enjoy ing with GNSF here
myself and plenty of others have admitted, straight up, David is a more complete basketball player than Dirk, and in one-on-one, I would probably take David to beat Dirk.
but in terms of leading a team, I think Dirk brings more to the table, especially with his ability to dominate a game offensively in the clutch against elite defensive teams, something that is not very common to come across. , in the NBA today, there are maybe 5 players that come to mind that truly have that ability (Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Nash, CP3), and one of them is old and probably about done in that department (Nash), and another is capable, but is also equally capable of being a monumental choker (CP3).
or mavfan and their persecution complex
Just like how Dirk went from the poster boy of choke to the taking over Jerry West's nickname.
Right, nobody would dare double off of Avery Johnson, Vinny Del Negro and Dennis Rodman.
It's funny that you bring up the "whole picture", Mr. But he averages 10 rpg in the playoffs.ing idiot, not looking at the whole picture
funny is that in his playoff career, he actually have a higher defensive rebound rate than D-Rob. i guess d-rob completely blows ass at rebounding
and there is a difference from periodically setting picks and running out for open 3s, and being a hustle guy the rest of the game, as opposed to being the #1 offensive option on your team out on the perimeter.
but it figures you are too stupid to understand the difference between those things.
Who cares about drr? It's about overall rebound rate. Typical Mavs fans, always slicing the game in half to prop up Nowitzki. And who said Robinson was the standard for rebounding? He was between a good-very good rebounder, but he wasn't a great one.
You're absolute right, there is a difference between the two things you described. Which is precisely why Nowitzki has no business being compared to Robinson or other all-time great bigs, who had to be the number one option for their teams AND do everything else. They didn't get to consistently shoot over undersized defenders and have no other responsibilities.
If dirk is so great, why he only manage one championship, while playing in a big market and having one of the highest payrolls year after year. He pretty much has had cuban stack his team at will. Oh, right, there is that decade of perennial choking, dirk had, almost forgot. At least the mavs fo, finally realized how one dimensional dirk is, a 7 foot reggie miller, if you will, and is stacking the team with defencive players, rather than additional scoring options. Not sure why anyone would pick a one trick pony, glorified specialist like dirk, over an overall better talent like robinson that does everything for you, when building a team around. It took mavs fo over 10 years, to finally come up with a supporting cast, that covers up enough of dirks physical and mental definciencies to bring home a le.
He was the poster boy of choke maybe to re s like yourself.
spurfans really don't like the idea that Dirk > davey is a tangible argument now.
Right, nobody would dare double off of Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, and Tyson Chandler.
dirk > davey
keep crying got
this is a fact
Robinson dominated on both sides of the floor and put up some monster statistics throughout the prime of his career. Scoring, Rebounding, blocks, and even put up some good numbers for steals for a big man. What did Dirk do well? Score that's about ing it. I'll give you that Dirk is way more clutch then Robinson ever was. But overall Robinson was a way better player. He excelled in all facets of the game.
One ring and all the sudden Dirk is a legend huh. Whatever. Trying to make this all based on playoff performances is laughable. Dirk doesn't ring last season and there wouldn't even be a discussion.
In the regular season.
In the regular season.
In the regular season.
In the regular season and the playoffs.
In the regular season and the playoffs.
In the regular season.
The ring completed his legend status.
Until someone brings legit statistical proof that Karl Malone > Duncan, then magically playoff performance is all that matters.
Uh, what?
Basketball isn't like baseball and football where playoff statistics and performances, while important, aren't typically the defining factor when evaluating a player's legacy.
In the NBA, however, what you do in the playoffs (you don't have to necessarily stack championships, but you do at least need to perform at a high level), is 90% of the equation when figuring out a player's all-time great status.
If Robinson would've matched, or even come near, his regular season form in the playoffs, he's easily ahead of Dirk. But unfortunately for us Spurs fans, he never did. Not once.
FG%
2001-42.3%
2002-44.5%
2003-47.9%
2004-45.0%
2005-40.2%
2006-46.8%
2007-38.3%
2008-47.3%
2009-51.8%
2010-54.7%
2011-48.5%
Had his fare share of chokejobs/dissapearing acts when his team looked like the best team in the league etc. Im not defending Robinson, his playoff shortcomings are well do ented. Just saying why ignore Dirk's choking resume as well? His choker label was there for a reason, his team's massive failures and his numbers are there for you to see.
Even this year he shot 41% in the Finals and had a couple of disappearing acts in the 1st round vs the Blazers, first in the collapse in Game 4 and then in the near collapse in Game 6. Fortunately Terry bailed his ass out or who knows if this wouldve gotten a chance to redeem himself. His playoff track record is far from perfect.
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