TP or The General (no bashing)

[cantthinkofanything]

TP has better offense, worse passing, and more turnovers. AJ had worse offense, better passing, and less turnovers. It all depends on what you want out of your PG. Most coaches want better passing. The reason why is the PG can get a shot of anytime he wants but his teammates can't unless he passes them the ball. If the PG is constantly looking for his shot his teammates are usually not as effective. You have to design a team to work with a shot happy PG. You want guys who don't need touches, shooters who can keep the defense honest, and rebounders to give him more shots. The Sixers did that with Iverson in '01.

I want great taste AND less filling. I shouldn't have to choose.

[TDMVPDPOY]

both are fkn scrubs to be honest...

[FromWayDowntown]

Calling AJ's shot against the Knicks "the biggest in Spurs history," is difficult to support any more. He made the shot with about a minute left in a series in which the Spurs were up 3-1.

Elliott's shot a round earlier in 1999 absolutely killed a Blazers team when that series could have been in doubt.

Horry's shot saved a championship that the Spurs were about to cough up in the pressure cooker that was the Palace.

Ginobili's oft-forgotten shot at the end of Game 6 of the Sonics series in 2005 staved off a Game 7 against a vastly inferior opponent.

Bowen's shot at the end of Game 5 in Phoenix in 2007 likely saved that series.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Calling AJ's shot against the Knicks "the biggest in Spurs history," is difficult to support any more. He made the shot with about a minute left in a series in which the Spurs were up 3-1.

Elliott's shot a round earlier in 1999 absolutely killed a Blazers team when that series could have been in doubt.

Horry's shot saved a championship that the Spurs were about to cough up in the pressure cooker that was the Palace.

Ginobili's oft-forgotten shot at the end of Game 6 of the Sonics series in 2005 staved off a Game 7 against a vastly inferior opponent.

Bowen's shot at the end of Game 5 in Phoenix in 2007 likely saved that series.

Way to go, FWD! Way to desecrate the legacy with mere facts!




Take down the jersey Pop!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

Way to go, FWD! Way to desecrate the legacy with mere facts!




Take down the jersey Pop!!!

Meh. I don't think it matters much any more. Nobody's clamoring to take down Junior's number and, while I have great sympathy for his story and appreciated his play in his prime, I think that decision pretty much lowered the bar forever on that honor.

Also, there has to be some story for why San Antonio (collectively) threw a hissy fit when some Argentinian guard, who hadn't ever played a game for the Spurs, dared to want to wear the sacred #6:

[dbestpro]

. I didn't even think about Alvin Robertson.
What about having a prime Alvin Roberson over TP?

Alvin with all of his post career garbage still had the best all around game. Jordan even said he was the best defender he ever played against. The best Spurs PG might actually be James Silas with a pat on the back to Johnny Moore.

[wildbill2u]

Avery is supposed to have the better PG qualities because of his assist ability. For the record, TP's career average is 5.7 per game and Avery is 5.5.


For my money a better comparison of great Spur point guards would be James Silas and Tony Parker. I remove Strickland because of his limited career here.

Silas could run the point and shoot. The one-four play designed to isolate the best shooter at the top of the key with all the rest of the players along the baseline was designed for Silas, not for Gervin, although Gervin ran it after Silas was hurt and traded. Silas was automatic from the FT line so in a close game, he was the logical choice to take the last shot for a win--and he won a lot of games that way--hence the nickname, Capt. Late. Avery's shot to win in 1999 was considered a miracle. For Silas it would have been another day at the office.

[therealtruth]

Avery is supposed to have the better PG qualities because of his assist ability. For the record, TP's career average is 5.7 per game and Avery is 5.5.


For my money a better comparison of great Spur point guards would be James Silas and Tony Parker. I remove Strickland because of his limited career here.

Silas could run the point and shoot. The one-four play designed to isolate the best shooter at the top of the key with all the rest of the players along the baseline was designed for Silas, not for Gervin, although Gervin ran it after Silas was hurt and traded. Silas was automatic from the FT line so in a close game, he was the logical choice to take the last shot for a win--and he won a lot of games that way--hence the nickname, Capt. Late. Avery's shot to win in 1999 was considered a miracle. For Silas it would have been another day at the office.

I don't think it was necessarily a miracle. It just was if there was any guy you were going to leave open in that scenario AJ would have been the guy. Teams get beat by that all the time. They believe cause someone isn't a consistent jump shooter they can leave him wide open.