none the less Nash only beat Tim once in the playoffs. Duncan beat both Nash & dirk at the same time in 03. if dirk owned duncan in 06, then dirk raped kobe in 2011 like a colorado maid.
FYI: Gasol and Kobe are a combined 0-12 against Dirk in the playoffs.none the less Nash only beat Tim once in the playoffs. Duncan beat both Nash & dirk at the same time in 03. if dirk owned duncan in 06, then dirk raped kobe in 2011 like a colorado maid.
Don't forget that Bynum had just sustained a season-ending injury. After he went down, the Lakers played 10 games before Gasol arrived and won 5 of them. 4 of those wins came against the Raptors (41-41), Wizards (43-39), and Knicks(23-59), and Seattle (20-62).
There's a good chance that if Gasol hadn't arrived, the Lakers wouldn't even have made the playoffs. There's no way they would've had HCA.
They would've needed 49 wins to get to the playoffs as the 8th seed. That means they would've had to go 19-17 the rest of the way, and if you look at their schedule, it would've been possible but not easy.
your a funny guy
Yeah. I'm also right.
your a funny guy
uh no your notYeah. I'm also right.
Kobe led the Lakers to a 45-37 record in 2005-06 with a even worse roster, and you think that a 30-16 record and having no bynum will take them out of the playoffs
The western conference in 2008 was much better than the wc in 2006. In 2008, you essentially had to be a 50 win team to be in the playoffs. Go look at the lakers schedule in 2008 for the 2nd half of the season. Getting to the playoffs without gasol wouldn't have been easy.uh no your not
Kobe led the Lakers to a 45-37 record in 2005-06 with a even worse roster, and you think that a 30-16 record and having no bynum will take them out of the playoffs
Fact remains is that Lakers franchise should do everything that they can to keep Gasol's gf happy. That is their number 1 priority. Cause when she aint happy then Gasol aint happy. When Gasol aint happy, he doesnt play like an HOF'er. And when Gasol doesnt play like a HOF'er, Kobe gets swept by a jumpshooting team.
The job of the 2nd banana is to keep the 1st happy, we all seen what happened in 2004, and in now in 2011. Kobe should really stop acting like he made and do what GOAT 2nd option is supposed to do. Or else his legacy will be severly tarnished imho
All trolling aside, I would take Pippen over Bryant any day of the week. I remember the corpse of Scottie Pippen ting on Bryant when he played for Portland. Just imagine what Prime Pippen does to Bryant, it would have been embarrassing for him. He would have taken Bryant right to the post and just worked him over.
^Pippen saved & enabled MJ's career so you may have a point.
tee, hee.
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shaq needed an elite wingman to win that
without an elite wingman, he didnt do any better than Kobe without a big man
They were a .500 team without Bynum or Gasol. They could have very easily missed the playoffs without the Gasol trade.uh no your not
Kobe led the Lakers to a 45-37 record in 2005-06 with a even worse roster, and you think that a 30-16 record and having no bynum will take them out of the playoffs
Though Gasol never won a playoff game until Kobe took him him.
they complete each other well but neither is capable of carrying a ty team past the 1st round. Kobe never made even the 2nd round w/o another superstar playing alongside him. as the ONLY star player of a team no one could've done a better job than what dirk managed to do in 2006 tbh
and i know winning da championship isn't enough
Kobe never won a playoff series without an AS big man.
He managed to lose.
I'd still ya, DoK.
tee, hee.
Not true, look up the stats. Duncan and Manu was equal on offense, and Duncan still manned the defense.
You can make an argument here, but as a sidekick, Duncan was nowhere close to the four I mentioned. 07 Duncan simply wasn't as good as 02 Kobe, early 80's Magic, mid 80s McHale or 90's Pippen.
Some players are just born to be sidekicks, Duncan wasn't one of them.
they got ed by rigged officiating and horse shots, and the sorry minions didn't do to help dirk. but as the truth stands, carrying a load of s straight into the NBA finals was still a great achievement after all
^He lost. That's the bottom line. If you're going to take the Championship(s) then you have to take the losses. You don't get to pick & choose here. When I lit (right after that squirt for Orlando missed that layup) I set this Forum straight:::no spelling indictment...no ing about calls. You have to act like somebody.
No shame in Kobe being a great #2 for the first 2 les I dont think anyone sane can dispute that. Yes, Kobe was still getting an increased role by 2001, but part of the reason why the Lakers steam-rolled in the playoffs that year was because Kobe accepted his role for the good of the team. Now Kobe was probably the better more consistent player in those playoffs ... but Shaq dominated in the finals and deserevd Finals MVP.
By 2002 Kobe was not really a #2 they were co #1's. Shaq had grown fat and though still effective, he took off much of the early part of the regular season and kobe carried that team when Shaq was in foul trouble throughout (which he had been doing going all the way back in 2000, but it was clearly Shaq's team)
Kobe winning 3 as either the #1 or co #1, along with two as the #2 ... still pretty remarkable.
I think the confusion here is many cite Duncan's achievements: winning 4 les as a #1, 2 MVP's and never missing playoffs ... = he is the "greater" player. When i think most objective (non Laker/Spur fans) would not make that case. Winning his 4 should mean a lot, because he did it in a small market wih no shaq or Kobe as a team-mate. I would never dispute that.
But when you add Kobe's 5 rings, to the numbers he puts up (voulme shooter or not) I just cant see how you could say duncan>Kobe. It doesnt add up.
Are Duncan's les impressive? Yes him 4 winning les in an era with Kobe/Shaq/KG/Dirk/Lebron/Wade/Nash is prety damn impressive, especially when he is probaly the least gifted natutral athlete of that group. No one can ever accuse Duncan (like they do shaq or Lebron) of not MAXIMIZING his talent.
I cant hate on Tim. I just think he is overrated here a bit, but it's a spurs site. One of the most overrated all-time? No. But those that rank him over kobe are wrong.
I don't really get your rationale.
Kobe won 3 with Shaq, and 2 with a loaded frontline, while Duncan won one less ring with obviously less support, and yet it is obvious Kobe > Duncan? How does that work?
& contrast 'em to the bag's: 4
It's like shaved puss.
Like this:::
Kobe: 5
the bag: 4
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