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    I think we agree on this issue, I just think it's a matter of interpretation of what he said/meant. Basically I interpreted him to be saying don't blame your PERSONAL problems or lack of success on Wall Street. In other quotes I have read/heard Cain doesn't really let Wall street off the hook for contributing to the current state of the economy and clearly recognizes that money is influencing politics...thus his simple 999 tax change proposal.

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    "him to be saying don't blame your PERSONAL problems or lack of success on Wall Street"

    what are these vague "personal problems" and why is Cain't-Be-Elected addressing them?

    Certainly Wall St sucking up capital while restricting loans makes the work of real job creators, the entrepreneurs and small businesses, much more difficult if not impossible.

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    Cain is an idiot. If you're going to win a general election (we all know he won't lol) you can't let one side off the hook and single out the other side. You have to assign blame all around. Siding with wall street and corporations right now is just plain dumb from a presidential candidate standpoint. That will play well with the Tea party crowd but it's going to kick you in the ass in a general election. Yeah we're in 2011 but to ignore the way Wall street's practices have had a residual effect on the economy and people's lives in general is beyond ignorant. It's not all black and white and not everyone protesting is jobless. Some of these guys just don't like where the country is going and are voicing their opinions. The same can be said about the Tea party. While some of that faction is rooted in racism some people are just genuinely scared where the country is headed and are voicing their opinion about it.

    And I agree SOME people need to take a look in the mirror like people on this very board blaming hard working immigrants for "stealing" jobs from Americans because they think their en led to be put first instead of sharpening their skill set. Regardless of someone's nationality if that person has more skills and is more qualified than you that's your fault.

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    uhhh...that list isn't an official list. It was just posted by a nobody on a blog and got picked up by the media as being official.
    lol someone should reward his obedience.

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    Exactly what did Wall Street do?

    Pay their CEOs too much? It's their money...Oh, and I seem to remember posting an article that pointed our the compensation packages for the top 25, of the Fortune 500 companies, did not amount to the more than $500 million dollars the Obama administration threw down the Solyndra money pit.
    The top ten best paid CEOs made more than $500M this year.

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/12/...n-11_land.html

    Bosses are again feeling flush, receiving their first bump since 2006. Our top 500 executives earned $4.5 billion last year. How do those dollars break down?
    It isn't "their" money it is their stockholders'.

    Capitalism fail.

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    They actually have one posted now.

    First OFFICIAL Release from OCCUPY WALL STREET (User Submitted)

    Looks to me like most of their grievances are self-inflicted or should be directed at government.
    That isn't a list of demands, goober.

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    That isn't a list of demands, goober.
    The link to the demands (goals) is at the bottom of the page. The rest of us were apparently able to find it.

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    The link to the demands (goals) is at the bottom of the page. The rest of us were apparently able to find it.
    So who voted on this?

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    So who voted on this?
    It's their official website Chump. ask them.

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    It's their official website Chump. ask them.
    Its actually a forum. Anyone can go on there and post. Its pretty much as official as any thread that someone puts OFFICIAL in on Spurstalk.

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    That isn't a list of demands, goober.
    I didn't call them demands.

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    Its actually a forum. Anyone can go on there and post. Its pretty much as official as any thread that someone puts OFFICIAL in on Spurstalk.
    OK, then Manny, what do they want?

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    It's their official website Chump. ask them.
    Its actually a forum. Anyone can go on there and post. Its pretty much as official as any thread that someone puts OFFICIAL in on Spurstalk.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    OK, then Manny, what do they want?
    I hate you.

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    What exactly is wrong with what he said?
    That's what I'm wondering.

    People need to better themselves for a better life, rather than expecting someone to hand it to them of a silver platter, or think someone is somehow holding them back.

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    Yeah, I completely agree with the premise.

    I problem I have is that somehow protesting and being proactive in job hunting are mutually exclusive in Herms mind.
    I think you should give him more credit than that. I don't see how he implied such a thing. Sure, in my opinion, some of the segments of "Wall Street" have done damage, but not "Wall Street" as a whole has not. Without addressing the root cause, such a protest is meaningless, except to make people feel like they are doing something.

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    ""Wall Street" as a whole has not."

    proof? or just bias in favor the 1% ing the 99%

    "addressing the root cause"

    which is, in your deeply evidenced opinion?

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    Cain is an idiot. If you're going to win a general election (we all know he won't lol) you can't let one side off the hook and single out the other side. You have to assign blame all around.
    Just because you vote on that criteria doesn't mean the rest of us do. I like someone who just says as he thinks, instead of always being cautious of word choice.

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    The top ten best paid CEOs made more than $500M this year.

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/12/...n-11_land.html
    careful...

    Your jealousy is showing.
    It isn't "their" money it is their stockholders'.

    Capitalism fail.
    Yet the majority shareholders are how sets their wages.

    You fail.

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    I like someone who just says as he thinks, instead of always being cautious of word choice.
    It sure makes it easier to root out idiots like Cain.

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    I think you should give him more credit than that. I don't see how he implied such a thing. Sure, in my opinion, some of the segments of "Wall Street" have done damage, but not "Wall Street" as a whole has not. Without addressing the root cause, such a protest is meaningless, except to make people feel like they are doing something.
    They don't address the root cause (segments of Wall Street) by protesting against the whole? Perhaps this gathering is not precise in its aims, but it's certainly not inaccurate.

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    Just because you vote on that criteria doesn't mean the rest of us do. I like someone who just says as he thinks, instead of always being cautious of word choice.
    I suppose that we're all fortunate you're in the vast minority.

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    I suppose that we're all fortunate you're in the vast minority.
    Is that the case? When it comes time to vote, do you really know for fact how people around you voted? I don't. What insight might you have? Then again, may be my confirmation bias, and yours, since we tend to hang around people with similar views.

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    They don't address the root cause (segments of Wall Street) by protesting against the whole? Perhaps this gathering is not precise in its aims, but it's certainly not inaccurate.
    I think we simply disagree on what is the root cause.

    But, to your point, no, one generally gains nothing by shotgunning a whole sector and painting them as villains when, in fact, the vast majority of Wall Street businesses play by the rules, employ our workers, and pay the bills.

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    Is that the case? When it comes time to vote, do you really know for fact how people around you voted? I don't. What insight might you have? Then again, may be my confirmation bias, and yours, since we tend to hang around people with similar views.
    It based on precedent. Have you seen a cannon as loose as Cain elected to the highest office in modern times?

    Do you honestly think he's going to win a general election WC?

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