OWS vs. Tea Party compared

[cheguevara]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...reet-tea-party

The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence. Consistently, the Tea Party sympathisers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant "Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!" at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.

By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like "Get government's hands off my Medicare!", the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy.

[Yonivore]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...reet-tea-party

The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence. Consistently, the Tea Party sympathisers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant "Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!" at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.

Well, that would certainly explain why Herman Cain aligns himself with the Tea Party ideology and why a full quarter of self-identified Tea Partiers are Cain supporters.

The Tea Party movement is for one thing...a return to limited government.

By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like "Get government's hands off my Medicare!", the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy.

The OWS protesters are a bunch of malcontent Che Guevara wannabes, being herded by George Soros, the Unions, and socialist organizations, that have no clue how a nation's economy works and what their role in the current debacle has been.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, that would certainly explain why Herman Cain aligns himself with the Tea Party ideology and why a full quarter of self-identified Tea Partiers are Cain supporters.

The Tea Party movement is for one thing...a return to limited government.




The OWS protesters are a bunch of malcontent Che Guevara wannabes that have no clue how a nation's economy works and what their role in the current debacle has been.

True. That was a total pile of crap he posted.

[cheguevara]

truth hurts

[coyotes_geek]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".

[Yonivore]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

[cheguevara]

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

[boutons_deux]

what blue team operative has taken over OWS?

tea baggers belong to and are financed by Kock Bros and their henchmen, who also financed tea bagger candidates.

the tea bagger "smal govt" charade is nothing but a Kock Bros/UCA strategy to kill EPA, OSHA, IRS so Kock Bros and othercan avoid the cost of preventing pollution and employee health protections.

[coyotes_geek]

Thanks to yoni and boutons for supplying evidence towards my case.

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

"My team's grass roots movement is real, the other team's is fake."

what blue team operative has taken over OWS?

tea baggers belong to and are financed by Kock Bros and their henchmen, who also financed tea bagger candidates.

the tea bagger "smal govt" charade is nothing but a Kock Bros/UCA strategy to kill EPA, OSHA, IRS so Kock Bros and othercan avoid the cost of preventing pollution and employee health protections.

"My team's grass roots movement is real, the other team's is fake."

[coyotes_geek]

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

"get more organized" = partisan financial backing

[Spurminator]

LMAO at the grassroots movement facilitated by weeks of Fox News promotion.

[Spurminator]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".

Yep.

It's funny that even with Congressional and Presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.

[Yonivore]

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

Nope. The Tea Party's message was pretty succinct from the beginning.



Government is the problem and it needs to be reigned back in to its cons utional limits.

[Winehole23]

yep.

It's funny that even with congressional and presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.

+1

[Winehole23]

Nope. The Tea Party's message was pretty succinct from the beginning.

The Tea Party was media inspired from the beginning.

By the way, what ever happened to that movement? I never see them on the news anymore.

[Yonivore]

The Tea Party was media inspired from the beginning.

By the way, what ever happened to that movement? I never see them on the news anymore.

They're busy winning elections. You'll see them again in 2012.

[coyotes_geek]

Yep.

It's funny that even with Congressional and Presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.

Very true.

[greyforest]

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Yeah, there's no accusations of this happening with the TEA party whatsoe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-koch-brothers

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...osi-astroturf/

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

Why would they sit around and complain?
1. They have jobs
2. They don't have to wait two ing weeks before national news shows up

The reason the GOP jumped all over the TEA party is because it can potentially lead to the privatization of currently nationalized industries.



It's quite telling that the protesters are on Wall Street (the people actually ing up the country and world economy) and not in DC (dog and pony show). It's further telling that both the liberal and conservative media tried their best to keep this from getting national attention. Why did I and 500,000 others have to watch the pepper spray video on Youtube? Why was that not national news?

Exactly.

[Yonivore]

The reason the GOP jumped all over the TEA party is because it can potentially lead to the privatization of currently nationalized industries.

I think that's a noble goal.

The poor Koch brothers have been the liberal boogey man in the Tea Party movement. Did you know Think Progress is a George Soros creation?

Why did I and 500,000 others have to watch the pepper spray video on Youtube? Why was that not national news?

Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?

[greyforest]

Also I'm curious to hear what any TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party thinks about companies such as General Electric paying 0% taxes and receiving millions in corporate welfare. Should we lower taxes on them some more?

[Winehole23]

Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?

How were those ladies criminals? For talking to the police?

[greyforest]

I think that's a noble goal.

The poor Koch brothers have been the liberal boogey man in the Tea Party movement. Did you know Think Progress is a George Soros creation?

All this becomes politicized the moment it gains national attention.

Do you think privatizing prisons is/was a noble goal?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us...pagewanted=all

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavar...ry?id=12965182

I guess you didn't hear about either of those cases, though, did you? Why not?

Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?

Innocent people getting pepper sprayed is. Guess you didn't know what really happened, did you? Look at how ignorant you are.

[DarrinS]

OP lost cred in first sentence. Fail

[cheguevara]

IMO the writer meant the tea party ideology has been around for a long time. This is true. Now they have become mainstream thanks to Fox news and the billionaires who back it up.

still they are nothing new.

[ChumpDumper]

lol criminals