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We will only negotiate if you accept our terms.....
The players really need to sue them and get it over with.
Berger is reporting about a failed attempt to have a meeting on Monday:
According to the union source, the league would agree to a meeting Monday -- the deadline set by commissioner David Stern for canceling the first two weeks of regular season games -- only if the players agreed beforehand to accept the NBA's offer of a 50-50 revenue split. The union declined, the source said.
We will only negotiate if you accept our terms.....
The players really need to sue them and get it over with.
An elegant way to reach an agreement would be to play on the length of the new CBA. For example, owners could agree to a 52/48 split in favor of the players but in exchange they would get the option to break a 6 years CBA after 4 years. Union would get the 52/48 split they want and owners could end the new CBA quickly in case it doesn't work for them.
Losing NBA games and the money generated by them while sides are close would be just dumb. It's time to be reasonable and stop screwing fans and low-salary NBA workers.
players fire back, per Woj:
“If the league wants to meet with us Monday, they’ll have to get their asses out to L.A.,” another union source told Y! Sports.
Players called Stern's bluff... Until the union decertifies and players start filing anti-trust lawsuits, Stern is playing with house money. His 'preemptive' lawsuit should also no longer really apply, seeing it would be very difficult to claim at this stage that the union did not want to negotiate in good faith.
I really think they're worlds apart. We'll see where they go from here.
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stop spamming, asshole
Whilst I probably do not have any right to cuss someone on this forum due to a) being a limey ba* and 2) due to my low post count, I'm sure your Las Vegas cleaning services will come in handy for the good people of San Antonio. Keep up the good work.
With regards to suggestions, I have a few:
1) Go do one
2) Go play with the cars on the motorway
3) Close your Spurstalk account
The owners are dirty, thieving bas s. Ready for the union to decertify. The owners are lying about financial details in order to provide some sort of basis for stealing from the players.
Do these billionaires really need more cash? As long as you're profitable overall, STFU and pay your employees. That or sell your team. Greedy bas s.
Union Meets In Miami, Standing Firm At 53 Percent
Oct 09, 2011 7:38 AM EDT
The NBPA met with players in Miami on Saturday and will do so again on Monday in Los Angeles.
A source says the players were united in standing firm at their offer of 53% of BRI. The owners are seeking a 50-50 split of revenues.
The Miami meeting was originally scheduled for Sunday, but was held on Saturday instead with so many players in town for an exhibition game at Florida International. The sudden cancelation led some to speculate that a Sunday meeting with owners could be scheduled, but it appears to be a matter of convenience for the union.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports (via Twitter)
Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1aHopW3zg
http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT/...88363476623360
Fingers crossed. Just be smart and save the whole season.BREAKING: NBA & union officials meeting 2day in last-last-ditch attempt 2 resolve lockout
That's asking a lot, Bruno. I know it seems simple and logical to us, but there are other things in play beyond what we discuss.
It doesn't benefit anybody to lose games. The players, the owners, the fans, anybody.
If it comes to that, it will be because the NBA and NBPA were too damn stubborn and greedy to figure it out. There's just one word for that: stupid.
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As labor meeting unfolds in NY, several NBA execs have hope of deal in next 24-48 hours. Why? They don't have faith in players holding line.
Not sure if it's very encouraging?
Owners think they're in the driver's seat... I wouldn't bet the house on it
I agree, but like with most things if you take it at face value a deal would be done. There are other factors.
There is a number that both sides agree to, but it takes time to get to that number. I've been a part of many negotiations. The deal is never done in the first hour. It always takes all day, if it gets resolved. It takes time, pressure, and creativity.
Both sides have a lot to lose by missing games. Players will never see that money again (especially average to below average) and owners will take a hit both in lost revenue from games, but also because they are the face of the organization when it starts laying people off.
Listen to all the posturing, and yet they are still meeting on Sunday and you will see big concessions on both sides to get a deal done.
So the owners and players are fight over what percentage of the pie they get. Right?
And the players are losing some of the percentage the use to have. Right?
Does that mean that the cap is going to lower? If that's not the case, how do the players make less?
My understanding is the cap WAS based on 57% of the BRI for the previous season, so the cap WILL be lower if the players only get 50% of the BRI from last year. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
So the cap is going down and so will the luxury tax line.
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First, we don't know if the formula for calculating the cap will remain the same in the new CBA.
Second, even if the formula remains the same, a reduction of the players' % doesn't necessarily mean a lower cap. BRI is the whole pie. An increase in BRI could lead to an increased cap even if the players' share is smaller.
The cap was something like 48% of BRI and the luxury tax was 61% or so.
I fully expect games to be cancelled tomorrow. All along, it's been expected that the owners will wait until the players start missing checks to see if that will change their position, and the players appear to be ready to call their bluff.
sounds like players will dig in, we will all continue to marvel at how 5 hours of talking produces nothing. do they spend the time talking about tv shows, books who buys the food or something?
If Derek Fisher's ugly face comes out and says "We're no closer to a deal" one more time...
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