I don't recall saying your comments were unclear but, if I did, it's really not important for you to clarify. I simply don't care.
On second thought, yes.
I object to your obsessive use of commas and semicolons. Round off a ing sentence every now and then, instead of piling up empty parallels.
I am only mildly annoyed by the mannerism at this point. Since you asked and I reflected on it, I thought I owed you a straight answer: it bugs me. You're trying way too hard. Overcompensation?
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Okay, so, what was incoherent?
Saying you're done with the conversation, then launching ad hominems, then pleading for topical focus, for example.
I don't see that as incoherent. You pretty succinctly made sense of what you thought occurred.
I would question when I launched any ad hominems but, that aside, I would like to get away from this conversation and back to the thread topic.
If that's incoherence, you're pretty incoherent yourself.
Saying that critics are undermining national security and ought to confine themselves to legal challenges, and then saying such criticism is inconsequential in the next breath, is another example.
External to this forum.
Internal to this forum.
Cleared up?
Weaselly. That's not what you said before but I'll accept your clarification.
Of course you would. You would never stoop so low.
In this thread.
I'm not above it and, readily admit I've stooped so low. But, I've tried real hard, in this conversation, not to do so.
yoni seems to have a difficult time distinguishing between 'making a legal case' vs 'legal'.
One argues for a legal position, the other determines the actual legality.
I also question the political side of this, which is to keep the memo secret? I don't believe national security was compromised when similar legal memos were released by this administration in the past.
This administration and the previous one are almost indistinguishable at this point.
Sure, it is. I've always maintained this forum carries absolutely no significance in the real world. My criticisms of the left have always been about those who are out in the real world, actively trying to apply their agenda.
If you've ever believed otherwise, let this be instructive.
If I've ever criticized your personal position on a topic as being destructive and as undermining the country's interests, please know, I meant that in terms of those -- outside this forum -- that hold the same position and are actively doing their best to enact that agenda in an effort the concretely undermine this country's interests.
I'm not sure how I can be more clear than that.
I think you and I are insignificant, vis-à-vis our involvement in this forum but, to the extent we carry our positions and ideals, outside this virtual world, we have real consequence on our community. But, in here, it's meaningless.
Thanks for trying.
To choose this or that is to affirm at the same time the value of what we choose, because we can never choose evil. We always choose the good, and nothing can be good for us without being good for all.
- Jean-Paul Sartre
But the French surrendered!!!
Well, now we have an authority on the matter...
Al-Qaeda joins those questioning legality of U.S. killing of citizen Anwar al-Awlaki
Because, when it comes to killing Americans, these guys know the law.
Are you saying Ron Paul = AQ?
Even Al Qaeda clowns us. Sad thing is, they're right.
No more than you do, Yones -- they just capitalize on exploiting their enemy's hypocrisy for hearts/minds points just as the US does.
Gotta hand it to them, though... their investment/return ratios are significantly better than our country's.
LOL...
That was good. I never saw it before. But then, I didn't watch Sesame street either.
http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/Two weeks after the U.S. killed American citizen Anwar Awlaki with a drone strike in Yemen — far from any battlefield and with no due process — it did the same to his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, ending the teenager’s life on Friday along with his 17-year-old cousin and seven other people. News reports, based on government sources, originally claimed that Awlaki’s son was 21 years old and an Al Qaeda fighter (needless to say, as Terrorist often means: “anyone killed by the U.S.”), but a birth certificate published by The Washington Post proved that he was born only 16 years ago in Denver. As The New Yorker‘s Amy Davidson wrote: “Looking at his birth certificate, one wonders what those assertions say either about the the quality of the government’s evidence — or the honesty of its claims — and about our own capacity for self-deception.” The boy’s grandfather said that he and his cousin were at a barbecue and preparing to eat when the U.S. attacked them by air and ended their lives...
... It is unknown whether the U.S. targeted the teenager or whether he was merely “collateral damage.” The reason that’s unknown is because the Obama administration refuses to tell us. Said the Post: “The officials would not discuss the attack in any detail, including who the target was.” So here we have yet again one of the most consequential acts a government can take — killing one of its own citizens, in this case a teenage boy — and the government refuses even to talk about what it did, why it did it, what its justification is, what evidence it possesses, or what principles it has embraced in general for such actions. Indeed, it refuses even to admit it did this, since it refuses even to admit that it has a drone program at all and that it is engaged in military action in Yemen.
^^^ Just terrible there's not even room for discussion for something like that. If you didn't bring it up, I wouldn't even have heard about it.
It's only the worst of the worst! They're terrorists! They're not on US soil! They don't deserve any rights!Two weeks after the U.S. killed American citizen Anwar Awlaki with a drone strike in Yemen — far from any battlefield and with no due process — it did the same to his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, ending the teenager’s life on Friday along with his 17-year-old cousin and seven other people.
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