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Hard to blame him, tbh...Guy put up 400 yds, 2 tds, and no turnovers with both his starting tackles out. He's unstoppable.
Trent Dilfer would like to suck you off and have your babies. Just a heads up.
Hard to blame him, tbh...Guy put up 400 yds, 2 tds, and no turnovers with both his starting tackles out. He's unstoppable.
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB and MVP.
Oh big ing deal. He did this against a ty Falcons team. Lets see what he does in a close game. Best qb? No. Best 4th quarter qb? NO! 3rd best qb? perhaps.
I swear to god, Aaron Rodgers and the packers get extremely overrated week after week. They win a fluke sb last year thanks to the Giants relaxing vs the Eagles and now everyone acts like they are special.
Just ignore him
If Rodgers repeats, I say he's better than Manning. But it's really hard to knock on Manning now considering this season is making it glaringly obvious he deserved more than 4 MVPs.
colts go from being a yearly 12 win team, to a team that would be lucky to win more than 1 game.
i'd love to see what Manning coulda done if he had a squad like Worthlessburger has on the steelers
legit defense
legit coaching
a WR that doesnt choke in big moments (Ward as opposed to Harrison/Wayne)
I say 4-5 rings.
Honestly Manning should've picked someone else in free agency this year. I know he's loyal to Indy but the right thing for his career would have been to go somewhere that actually gives a damn about filling out the roster and not just riding the long of the GOAT QB to 12 wins every year.
Colts players are already talking about needing to get "that win" like they know one is maybe all they're gonna get.
GOAT
Whatever world you live in, they must hand out free crack on every street corner because the world I live in saw Brady go down for a season and the Pats still win 11 games. If Manning is the difference between 0 and 12-14 wins, how is he not the GOAT?
That Manning basically took this same team to the Super Bowl in 2009 is ing legendary.
well according to pats fans, since the Pats were 16-0 the year before, only dropping 5 more games the next year is worse than dropping 9-10 more like the Colts are this year.
the other argument is "matt cassell is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
bull. he blows and having him as opposed to Kerry Collins is not a 4-5 game difference. I'm pretty sure Collins could have found a way to go at least 8-8 with that Pats team, which speaks more as to how ty the Colts are without Peyton, as he was bound for a 1-15 year in Indy.
Indy's real problem is that Bill Polian is so high on himself he'll literally waste his best player's prime waiting for his own draft picks to either pan out or bust. And most of them since 2006 have busted. Only guys I really like since then are Collie, Garcon, Angerer and Drake Nevis. Donald Brown has zero field vision, Jerry Hughes isn't an NFL caliber defensive end and Anthony Gonzalez is about as sturdy as Bob Sanders. Not to mention they traded a 1st rounder to draft that piece of Tony Ugoh. Polian has unquestionably failed the Colts in the last five years and really only still has a job because Peyton Manning is apparently good enough to swing 12 games in your favor every year.
They've let a lot of good guys walk in free agency just so Polian can try to show off his big drafting skills and it hasn't been working out. And they've also overpaid a lot of guys who didn't deserve the money. Hayden got like 40 million for pick sixing Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl and I can name about 15 other DBs who could have done the same thing off the top of my head right now. They paid Bob Sanders a huge wad of cash to only get about six games played out of him, great move. Gary Brackett, the only linebacker Indy has resigned since who knows when, it sitting on IR watching Pat Angerer basically end his career in Indy. And now Melvin Bullitt got a little bit of a raise only to wind up on IR again for the same injury as last year.
And don't even get me started on the coaching. Dungy was a good coach and a respectable guy but Mike Vanderjagt wasn't kidding when he went on TV and said the mild-mannered thing doesn't work in the NFL. Jim Caldwell is absolute trash as a coach and so is most of his staff. Honestly I think Indy needs to fire everyone from Polian on down and start fresh. Manning needs his Bill Walsh, Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick-type of coach that all of the greats have had. I'm 100% sure Caldwell could have easily coached Montana, Elway or Brady out of a Super Bowl win if he was their coach the way he did it to Manning in 2009. Thing is I don't really think there's a coach out there like that. They'll probably go after Jeff Fisher. Basically they just need a coach who's willing to let Manning do his thing because it clearly works. I'd love to see what this defense could do in a traditional 4-3 and not this Tampa-2 crap that on-the-weekly showcases Jacob Lacey giving 7-10 yard cushions and getting burned by Pro Bowlers like they're playing Madden.
Peyton Manning would get his ass busted in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL for awhile now. Manning would be crying and pointing fingers in no time.
Have you seen the Colts offensive line since 2008?
Id go Rodgers over Manning (and Im talking about Peyton Manning for those who are homerly confused) as the best QB in the NFL.
Rodgers is stronger and a runner and his accuracy is top notch.
Rodgers is probably better than Eli...in the first 3 quarters. In the 4th, which is the quarter that defines greatness, Eli>>>>>>>>>>>Rodgers.
LOL confused
he hasnt had a legit line for years now. the only reason he doesnt get sacked or have to run for his life so frequently is because hes so good at his pre-snap reads he makes good adjustments, and checks down quickly. worthlessburger sucks ass in that department, not to mention making his line look worse than they actually are, because he has no idea what the a pocket is, so the second he feels a bit of discomfort, instead of stepping up, he just rolls out and has to run for his life.
worthlessburger and the ridiculous number of excuses that get made for him on a yearly basis, when in reality, he is the exact same player as Tony Romo... solid overall QB that is good at making plays out of nothing, but also is equally good at throwing games away with dumbass turnovers. only difference is Romo doesnt get excuses made for him like ben, despite ben actually having less legit excuses for his -ups than Romo.
Montana says hi, btw.
Look me up in five weeks. Right now he's singlehandedly worth 5, which according to Pats fan logic puts him right there with Brady since they were only -5 without him.Montana says hi, btw.
right, because the Patriots would have still gone 11-5 if Curtis Painter/Kerry Collins was Tom Brady's backup rather than a QB who made the pro bowl last year
This is entirely a bull claim as you're retroactively grading Cassel a Pro Bowler. When he became the Patriots starting QB, he'd been warming the bench for at least a solid seven years in both college and the NFL. Cassel also took over for a team that was a missed sack and helmet catch away from being a 19-0 Super Bowl winner. He also had Randy Moss to throw to.
The Colts have no running game and receivers clearly made to look better than they really are by Manning. Wayne has had some big catches and Garcon is on pace for a big year without Manning, but Clark and Collie have pretty much disappeared from their offense. The defense obviously has nothing outside of Freeney and Mathis.
Collins took the 2008 ans to 10-0. I'm sure he could have got that Patriots team to 11-5 just as easily as Cassel. Painter's only NFL experience before this season was the now infamous blowing of the Colts perfect season in 2009 in which he played with the second stringers and pretty much owned himself as a rookie. His completion percentage and ball security sucks, but he didn't take a sack or fumble against the Chiefs on Sunday, so maybe he's finally getting it down. I don't think they'll be able to trade him the way the Pats did Cassel unless he starts winning games. I'm just saying the Pats future Pro Bowl QB didn't get them to 11-5 by himself kind of the same way Curtis Painter hasn't sunk the Colts to 0-5 by himself.
Matt Cassel was good enough during the 2008 season to earn a starting job and a franchise QB type contract the next season. He put up 21 TDs, 11 picks and 3600+ passing yards in his first season ever as a starter. Anyone trying to act like 2008 Brady wasn't replaced by a MUCH better QB than 2011 Manning has been replaced by so far is delusional.
I figured you'd pull the Randy Moss card as if Curtis Painter doesn't have Reggie Wayne to throw to. In Dwayne Bowe's first healthy season with Matt Cassel, he led the NFL in receiving touchdowns (15) and had 1100 yards. Cassel would be able to utilize Wayne A LOT better than Painter can. Same goes for Dallas Clark as Moeaki had a surprise rookie season with Cassel.
Talking about how much tier Painter is than Cassel only helps my argument. If Painter was Brady's backup in 2008 as oppose to Cassel, the Patriots would have been lucky to sniff .500 that year. If Matt Cassel was the Colts' QB the last few games, they'd have a win. The whole premise of my argument is that simplifying the two scenarios while ignoring the fact one QB had a MUCH better, more prepared backup is re ed.
The 2007 Patriots went 16-0 and made the superbowl. Matt Cassel came in, got 5 less wins with the easiest schedule in the NFL that year, and missed the playoffs.
The 2010 Colts went 10-6 and lost in the wildcard round of the playoffs. I have no doubt in my mind 2008 Matt Cassel could guide the 2011 Colts w/o Manning to a 5-11 record, while missing the playoffs just like he did with the 2008 Patriots and winning 5 less games.
Sidenote, regardless of Manning vs. Brady, the uncle tom Bulls fan in this thread has by far the dumbest takes out of anyone. I've never seen someone try to argue that being the Steelers' QB is an extremely hard job, most QBs would love to be able to score 21 points and know it means a win 90% of the time.
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