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Nobody comes into our house! OUR FORUM! and disrespects the foundation that our great country was built on with these outlandish statements! It is my God-given right to argue this troll to the death and to protect these Spurfans from even more ridicule. And last but not least, the great Toby Keith! Can't wait for America to have another tragedy so he can it to make another popular single for brainwashed minions like me!
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Roethlisberger makes that line look worse than it is because he holds the ball and extends plays, IMO. A lot of those sacks are on him.
exactly
He also sometimes make them look good since there are plenty of almost sacks that he avoided because he cant be brought down because of his power and size.
i dont think anyone EVER has said the steelers o-line is good.
they aren't amazing, but they are not nearly as bad as people say. all people have said ever since he took over as QB is how bad the line is, yet somehow they made it to 3 superbowls, winning 2. considering the o-line is arguably the most important unit in football, i have a hard time believing its nearly as bad as people continue to suggest.
ben gets time in the pocket consistently, he just doesnt know how to use the pocket. granted, from time to time, pocket protection breaks down quickly, and he is VERY good at getting out of it. but so many times he has a nice pocket, but decides to roll out instead of step up, and then he has to run for his life, due to his own mistake.
Manning would never have survived playing under Belichick. His ego and need to be in control are the reason Indy sucks so bad without him. In New England everybody is equal, everybody is held accountable, and everybody has to stay within their role, or they're out. Nobody is bigger than the team. In Indy, Manning made himself bigger than the team. It's all Manning all the time, so obviously when Manning goes down, the entire franchise has no clue what the they're doing. MANNING BROUGHT THAT UPON THE FRANCHISE.well according to pats fans, since the Pats were 16-0 the year before, only dropping 5 more games the next year is worse than dropping 9-10 more like the Colts are this year.
the other argument is "matt cassell is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
bull. he blows and having him as opposed to Kerry Collins is not a 4-5 game difference. I'm pretty sure Collins could have found a way to go at least 8-8 with that Pats team, which speaks more as to how ty the Colts are without Peyton, as he was bound for a 1-15 year in Indy.
Manning never would have stayed in his role the way Brady has. The reason the Patriots could win 11 games without Brady is because of the fact that Brady never felt compelled to dominate the entire franchise the way Manning has. He didn't feel the need to rewrite the entire playbook to fit his exact wants as a player. He accepted the system and plays within it, so that a QB like Matt Cassel or Brian Hoyer or Ryan Mallett can come in and run the exact same thing.
As a passer Manning is right there with Marino as probably the greatest of all time.
As a quarterback, I'll take Brady any day over Manning, and it's not even close.
brady got his 3 rings piggybacking a dominant defense
peyton took a team that is complete without him and won a ring
this is just like Dirk > Davey, in that in order to ring, robinson had to piggyback a more dominant force on the team, much like brady had to piggyback a more dominant force on his team. but when forced to be the flat out #1 guy, they both have failed and failed massively. but Dirk and Peyton both stuck it out, got called a choker and all that garbage, but ultimately led a very VERY average team to a championship.
go ahead and bring up the whole "rex grossman giftwrapped a ring to Peyton!" it sounds just like the spurfans who say "refs, jason terry, and being fortunate to not play the spurs giftwrapped Dirk a ring!!!!!!!!"
Peyton > Brady
You know it's funny how Manning gets labeled a whiner for blaming everything on his teammates for his early career playoff losses yet now he's not there and the team unequivocally sucks without him. Maybe he was right this whole time. Like Manning once said, the NFL isn't like basketball. He can't go out there and play defense. So however much of a control freak Manning must be with the Colts offense, that has no bearing on the fact that this wholesale commitment to Tony Dungy's Tampa-2 defense (which in 13 years as a head coach got him one pink slip and one Super Bowl ring) has shot the Colts in the ing foot year after year.
Even the Colts defense is made to look better than it is by Manning because he puts points up so fast teams have to pass and that plays right into Freeney and Mathis's strengths. The #1 strategy to beat the Colts has always been to run the ball on their weak ass front seven and keep Manning on the bench. The only defenses I've seen truly figure out Manning were Romeo Crennel's Pats defenses and for whatever ing reason those powder blue wearing gots in San Diego.
So I guess I can totally see how Manning being a control freak caused him to brainwash Bill Polian into basically drafting defensive players because they fit the Al Davis model of athletic and fast rather than good football players. The Colts front office isn't held accountable for , so maybe that's one thing the Pats have them on. If anyone at West 56th Street keeps they're job on the pretense of asterisking this season because Peyton didn't play, it is the highest order of bull and he should opt out of his contract and go play for a team that will give him some real support.
Last edited by Kirk Nowitzki; 10-11-2011 at 02:08 PM.
Or he just has a really ing horrible group of backups.
brady got his 3 rings piggybacking a dominant defense
peyton took a team that is complete without him and won a ring
this is just like Dirk > Davey, in that in order to ring, robinson had to piggyback a more dominant force on the team, much like brady had to piggyback a more dominant force on his team. but when forced to be the flat out #1 guy, they both have failed and failed massively. but Dirk and Peyton both stuck it out, got called a choker and all that garbage, but ultimately led a very VERY average team to a championship.
go ahead and bring up the whole "rex grossman giftwrapped a ring to Peyton!" it sounds just like the spurfans who say "refs, jason terry, and being fortunate to not play the spurs giftwrapped Dirk a ring!!!!!!!!"
Peyton > Bradya guy you yourself have called the 2nd greatest QB of all time, and now you're saying he was just piggybacking a defense to 3 les
stretch, with the, "I'm gonna call Brady the 2nd best QB of all time to cover up all of my re ed opinions about him!" goods
Is that why Matt Cassel was a pro bowler in KC?The System
Cassel has sucked balls in KC. Using the Pro Bowl thing is re ed.
But Brady definitely didn't piggyack his way to three rings tbh. Super Bowl vs Carolina was probably the most exciting Super Bowl of my lifetime(taking bias out of it).
The mere fact Brady's 2008 backup has made a pro bowl demonstrates how much better he is than Curtis Painter.
How can you take Brady over Manning when Brady isn't even elite anymore iyo.
how can you take Manning over Brady when Manning can't even jog without ing up his neck
It's also clear that the entire organization had given Cassel the confidence to step into the job. When Brady went down, the organization rallied around Cassel and put him in a position to succeed. When Manning was declared out, the organization threw up their hands and said " it". Which again to me speaks volumes of Brady's team first approach. If Brady was a demanding control freak who made sure every facet of the organization was focused on him, there's no way Cassel would have been successful under those cir stances.
Cassell had a great season last year. Really good numbers, team won 11 games and the division. I would take Brady over Manning simply because he has way more poise.
Also, Manning's earlier playoff losses were not high scoring games, especially the home games. Those losses were on him since he runs the offense by himself. His ego does get in the way since he abandons the running game and tries to win every game on his own. It even cost him in the Super Bowl since the Saints dared the Colts to run the ball and Addai got like 13 carries even though he was running the ball well. Saints had only 3 down lineman most of the game and put 8 guys in coverage. Yet Manning took the bait and choked in the end. The Super Bowl which Manning did win, the Colts ran for a ton of yards.
Piggybacking might have been a strong word for me to use, but lets not kid ourselves... the strongest part of those Patriots team were the incredibly smart and cohesive defensive unit, not Tom Brady. He did a great job, and stepped up when they needed him most (especially in the SB against the Panthers as IM said), but he was not a guy that could consistently put the team on his back, as he has become more of in the past 4-5 years. And now that he is the clear star and leader of the team, what have they done? Nothing but the biggest chokejob of all time (lol eli), and some wildcard/divisional round flameouts.
If he was so much better than Peyton, you would think he would have found a way to haul in a ring by now as the leader, or at the very least, be a strong point of the team in some of their losses, as opposed to being one of the weak ones.
Yes, I say they are the two greatest QBs ever, but there is FAR less argument to unquestionably put Brady ahead of Peyton, as opposed to Peyton ahead of Brady.
Yes, it's Peyton's fault that Reggie Wayne suddenly forgot how to run a simple curl route, much less shield off the defender from being able to make an interception.
And it Brady's fault that the D let Eli march up the field in a minute to win the SB.Yes, it's Peyton's fault that Reggie Wayne suddenly forgot how to run a simple curl route, much less shield off the defender from being able to make an interception.
Never said it was Brady's fault, although one would think after this nonsense:
that he would have backed up his talk and scored a few more points.
Especially when having arguably the best passing offense in NFL history.
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