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    I wanted to see how long he'd remain oblvious to the history of his own party, of late the party of veiled, implicit racism.
    Where's the "veiled, implicit racism?"

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    No, but I peeked at Nono's because you referenced his post.

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    Where's the "veiled, implicit racism?"
    Welfare queens, Willie Horton, characterizing fellow citizens as worthless freeloaders, anti-immigrant populism and pandering to it. Nativism.

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    OMG! Wikipedia? A flagged for neutrality Wikipedia article, no less.
    Michael Steele was probably reading from the wrong link too

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    You're doing his homework for him, Nono.
    I honestly thought he was that ignorant. I mean, wouldn't be a reach, right?

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    Welfare queens,...
    That would be anyone of any race that is in a generational welfare state. There are white welfare queens.

    Why was that racist? Horton was a murderer Dukakis furloughed.

    ...characterizing fellow citizens as worthless freeloaders,...
    That's pretty much indiscriminately hurled at all races that are worthless freeloaders, kind of like most of the Flea Baggers.

    ...anti-immigrant populism and pandering to it. Nativism.
    anti-illegal-immigration. I'm good with legal immigration.

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    Why stop at racism when you can attempt to justify racism?

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    The sub le in the image is racist.

    It denigrates blacks that share conservative views and implies they're doing the bidding of some white superior when they speak out for conservative ideals and against liberalism.
    If it were just a concept in a vacuum, I might see your point, but since the GOP actually DID that with Michael Steele, it's an event that has actually happened and is open for conjecture and mockery.

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    If it were just a concept in a vacuum, I might see your point, but since the GOP actually DID that with Michael Steele, it's an event that has actually happened and is open for conjecture and mockery.
    That's racist.

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    Nope, it's reality. The GOP set Michael Steele out as an attack dog to say the things about the POTUS that their white members would be crucified for saying. They just didn't realize that he would be such a dumbass that they'd need to jettison him 2 years later. If there is any racism in the equation, it was the GOP for using him to that purpose.

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    When the GOP backers have to pull the race card, wooooooow. There are just no words.

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    When the GOP backers have to pull the race card, wooooooow. There are just no words.
    No, there are some: teenager-style sophistry.

    Conservatives have a victim mentality after decades of having the race card pulled on them -- Yoni is just exhibiting that frustration. The sad irony, of course, is that his repeated censure of "racism" (which he can only seem to grasp in ahistorical and binary --but not ambiguous -- abstractions) just underscores how incapable he is of understanding that racism is messily woven into our culture and history.

    Yes, Yoni... There should be no difference between people based on their ethnicity. And yet there is. Pointing it out (or trying to make light of it) doesn't make somebody a racist unless they're working to perpetuate that difference to X people's detriment, or perpetuate false stereotypes.

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    A Leading Figure In The New Apostolic Reformation



    A new charismatic Christian movement that seeks to take dominion over politics, business and culture in preparation for the end times and Jesus' return is becoming more of a presence in American politics. The leaders are considered apostles and prophets, gifted by God for this role.

    Wagner's explanation about a recent video that has been shown on television in which he claims the emperor of Japan had sex with the sun goddess, a power of darkness headed by the kingdom of Satan, and how that resulted in the decline of the Japanese stock market; how demons figure into the belief structure of NAR; the role of prophets and apostles within NAR; what Wagner means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion; how he felt when he found out that Ted Haggard, his World Prayer Center co-founder, had used drugs and had sex with men; spiritual mapping; and the role of Jews and Israel in preparing for the second coming.

    "As we talk, in Oklahoma City there is an annual meeting of a professional society called the Apostolic — called the International Society of Deliverance Ministers, which my wife and I founded many years ago. ... This is a society of a large number, a couple hundred, of Christian ministers who are in the ministry of deliverance. Their seven-day-a-week occupation is casting demons out of people. And they have professional expertise in this and they happen to meeting — to be meeting right now. My wife is one of them. She's written a whole book called How to Cast Out Demons. And I don't do that much. Once in a while when I get in a corner, I might. But that's — that's been her ministry. And so I've been very, very close to that for years. We've been married for 60 years."

    http://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946...le-in-politics

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    Crazy-assed mofos.

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    Nope, it's reality.
    Nope, it's a fantasy.

    Michael Steele was successful and charismatic Lt. Gov. in Maryland. He ran for RNC chair and was elected on the 6th ballot.

    The GOP set Michael Steele out as an attack dog to say the things about the POTUS that their white members would be crucified for saying.
    He wasn't saying anything white members of the Republican Party weren't saying.

    They just didn't realize that he would be such a dumbass that they'd need to jettison him 2 years later. If there is any racism in the equation, it was the GOP for using him to that purpose.
    Elements of the RNC were caught in some ethical violations. He was responsible for the problems.

    You're a racist.

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    No, but I peeked at Nono's because you referenced his post.
    You deny the Southern Strategy exists?

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    A Leading Figure In The New Apostolic Reformation




    Crazy-assed mofos.


    Not very often, but every once in a while, B. Common ground.

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    ...repost

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    You deny the Southern Strategy exists?
    Obviously, the perception exists but, yes, I disagree the so-called Southern Strategy played a role in the shift of voting patterns, beyond the extent demagogued by Democrats claiming there was a Southern strategy.

    While Democrats may like voting on the basis of race, most Republicans vote on the basis of prosperity and, it's been demonstrated the shift, to the Republican party came more from prosperous Southern whites than it did from disaffected racists -- beginning in the 50's.

    Did racists shift to the Republican Party? Probably the rich ones did. But, the Democrat Party was somehow successful - and kudoes to them - to label Republicans as racist even though they, Democrats, were the true party of the racists. If the Southern Strategy had been a concerted effort on the part of the Republicans, and not just some figment of Democrats based on some anecdotal or cir stantial evidence, Robert Byrd would have been a Republican.

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    I honestly thought he was that ignorant. I mean, wouldn't be a reach, right?
    I think it's safe to say Yoni inhabits his own imagination on this.

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    Obviously, the perception exists

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    beyond the extent demagogued by Democrats claiming there was a Southern strategy.
    Michael Steele being a prime example of Democratic demagogue...

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    I think it's safe to say Yoni inhabits his own imagination on this.
    At least it's not my own imagination.

    The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’

    The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t.
    So, not only was the Republican party the party of anti-racism; it was also the prosperity party.

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    I'm honored to stand in company with the Clairemont Ins ute.

    The Myth of the Racist Republicans

    A myth about conservatism is circulating in academia and journalism and has spread to the 2004 presidential campaign. It goes something like this: the Republican Party assembled a national majority by winning over Southern white voters; Southern white voters are racist; therefore, the GOP is racist. Sometimes the conclusion is softened, and Republicans are convicted merely of base opportunism: the GOP is the party that became willing to pander to racists. Either way, today's Republican Party—and by extension the conservative movement at its heart—supposedly has revealed something terrible about itself.
    A good read, I recommend it.

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    At least it's not my own imagination.

    The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’


    So, not only was the Republican party the party of anti-racism; it was also the prosperity party.
    How are blacks brainwashed if they're just voting for their economic interests?

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    Top Ministry Over Rick Perry’s New Apostolic Allies Wants My Website “Silenced”

    “We need to pray that all false accusations and the voice of the accuser of the brethren be silenced in the name of Jesus!” – Spokesperson for Global Havest/Global Spheres, Inc. ministries

    Leading up to the 2008 election, prominent NAR apostles prayed with and blessed Sarah Palin, and they overwhelmingly dominated the August 6th, 2011 The Response prayer event that served as the de facto launch for Texas Governor Rick Perry’s 2012 election presidential bid.

    It’s no secret that Talk To Action, which I co-founded in early 2006 together with Frederick Clarkson, has since September 2008 featured what has been probably the most extensive in-depth coverage of, and research on, the New Apostolic Reformation among secular media. So it is not altogether surprising that a spokesperson for the personal ministries of the man who named the New Apostolic Reformation and, more than any other leader, has helped shape and organize the evolving NAR, C. Peter Wagner, has called upon believers to pray that Talk To Action be “silenced.”

    But the edict is very notable in light of concerted efforts, by Peter Wagner’s movement, to brand itself as moderate or even quasi-progressive, and it sharply contrasts with Wagner’s statement to NPR’s Terry Gross, for a Fresh Air interview published October 3rd, 2011, that his movement respects pluralism. Asking believers to pray to God that one’s critics be “silenced” is not an expression of respect for pluralism.

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