I don't think either one of them could consistently stop each other. Both are just too damn good. But the difference is Kobe can be baited into bad shots 100000x easier than MJ. MJ would figure that out, and exploit that before Kobe finds a weakness of MJ to exploit.
The reason why I say Kobe wouldn't get 33 or 42 "on" Mike is because he would have to guard the same dude on the other end of the floor. And many players have said, Mike was pound-for-pound, one of the strongest dudes in the league. That would take a toll on Kobe; and it could go vice versa but it would probably be easier for Mike.
If Kobe doesn't drop drop 42, it would be because prime Pippen was in his grill. MJ was protected from the opposition's best perimeter player because of Pippen. Funny how most fans ignore this fact.
head to head jordan would rape and all over kobe, only a kobe jockey would think otherwise, tbh
So let me get this straight we should only count the POINTS that Kobe scored when MJ was guarding him. I thought we count the points a player drops on the opposing team and its subsequent leader...by your logic MJ didn't really drop 62 on Bird just the Celtics...I guess all the beat writers will have to change their language...this tells me Ashy you haven't played a lick of compe ive ( non street ball) in your life.
You act like Kobe is weak as Durant or something. I've seen Kobe post up 270lb LBJ, Pierce, Melo, etc. You think he wouldn't be able to post up MJ?
Well not according to Phil...Phil said the only difference between the two was MJ had bigger hands and that Kobe had better range...If Bruce Bowen couldn't defend Kobe what in the you think MJ would have been able to do...
Nique used to give MJ fits. He couldn't deal with Nique. Well, Kobe >>>>>>> Nique. If MJ couldn't stop Nique, how could he stop Kobe from dropping 50 on him? MJ never faced a player like Kobe. Like others have said he was before his time.
What Kobe is still doing against players that are healthier, stronger and more athletic than he is right now is amazing in itself. All that mileage, 15th year, and an array of ailments and he still gave us 25 per. Impressive.
So let me get this straight we should only count the POINTS that Kobe scored when MJ was guarding him. I thought we count the points a player drops on the opposing team and its subsequent leader...by your logic MJ didn't really drop 62 on Bird just the Celtics...I guess all the beat writers will have to change their language...this tells me Ashy you haven't played a lick of compe ive ( non street ball) in your life.
no it's just fun to blow y'alls up from time to time. Saying Kobe scored 33 on Mike is saying he scored all those points while Jordan was guarding him. That's why I say Jordan dropped 63 on the C's and not Bird because (1) Bird plays SF and (2) K.C. Jones wouldn't be that dumb.
Kobe scored 33, true, but most was in the 4th quarter when the game was out of reach. So technically, he didn't score 33 on Mike, he scored 33 on the Bulls in a game that didn't have Shaquille or Pippen and that was a complete ass kicking........
He would post up Mike, of course. I'm saying Mike would push him around and of course Kobe would push back. They would wear one another out, hence, Kobe would drop 30+ on Jordan as what your buds are saying. He'You act like Kobe is weak as Durant or something. I've seen Kobe post up 270lb LBJ, Pierce, Melo, etc. You think he wouldn't be able to post up MJ?
ll score on Mike but scoring a large amount of point "on" him, I just don't see. He'd spend a load of energy on the other end.
Would be a great matchup nonetheless.
So what u sayin is MJ was a better defender than Bruce Bowen, Thabo Shefelosa, Ron Artest, Toby Allen, Rueben Patterson, Doug Christie, and all the guys who's claim to fame was their acious D....really MJ was better on D than Bowen..and we all know what Kobe did to Bowen... MJ would have got it worse...
it would a great battle. funny thing is if you asked any other fan base except the Laker and Bull bases, Jordan would undoubtedly get the nod.
Many Laker fans use number when comparing Kobe and LeBron but those same numbers aren't applicable when it comes to Mike vs Kobe. In every aspect of stats, leadership and all in between, Mike s on Kobe constantly. The only place he doesn't is LG.net. And this is from a Lakers' fan who is unbiased as .
Agreed. Like Tex said, there would be blood if these two matched up in their primes. Kobe has had to do more than MJ did - against better compe ion - and still was arguably top dog in the league. By more I mean, he had to make sure Shaq was fed, as well as covering defensively for Fish (PGs ate him for breakfast, lunch and dinner), as well as drop 30+. MJ had Pippen to do that kind of dirty work. I'm not saying MJ was no slouch, but we're kidding ourselves if we think he had the same types of responsibilities Kobe has.
I still say that if Kobe were in the league back in '84ish, he would have duplicated if not built upon MJ's successes. Players that are more athletic right now can't check this dude and he going into his 16th year - which is unheard of. People talk about LBJ's defense. Well, like Pop did with Duncan against a premiere big, Mike Brown protected him by not letting him guard Kobe until like the 4th quarter or key possessions. Why? Because they both knew both their star players would foul out (Duncan against Shaq and LBJ against Kobe). No one and I mean no one could guard this dude one on one. They needed strongside zones and other gimmicks to deal with him.
Case in point: San Antonio has had one of the best defensive teams in league history for a long time. But they still had to go out and get Bruce Lee Bowen to deal with Kobe - despite their twin towers. Speaks to Kobe's greatness because the same concessions were not made for the "MDE".
81 was great, but if PJ left Kobe in the game when he outscored the Mavs 62-61 after 3 quarters, he would have ended up with about 90 that night. No joke. Kobe's a streaky shooter and he was ON that night. The funny part is Mavs were contenders that year and Kobe destroyed them.
This is not to you in particular, but it's ok to recognize Kobe's greatness and still love MJ - who's legend grows year by year.
Tex Winter
Dude is senile
Only from a perspective of those who haven't played the game...the day that MJ has to share the ball with Shaq is the day his stats resemble Kobe's...that's it. Kobes proved he didn't need Shaq to win les...in fact if it wasn't for Wade getting all those bogus calls in 2006 Shaq would still be sitting at 3...
Coached both players. PJ's secret weapon and mastermind behind the triangle. HOFer.Tex Winter
Dude is senile
He has cred. Neal with it.
classichint. hint: I played for the University of Alabama in 1992. but I've never played the game
OK. Don't get upset because I constantly on your theories and present factual information during debates and you bring, well, thread les
Agreed. Like Tex said, there would be blood if these two matched up in their primes. Kobe has had to do more than MJ did - against better compe ion - and still was arguably top dog in the league. By more I mean, he had to make sure Shaq was fed, as well as covering defensively for Fish (PGs ate him for breakfast, lunch and dinner), as well as drop 30+. MJ had Pippen to do that kind of dirty work. I'm not saying MJ was no slouch, but we're kidding ourselves if we think he had the same types of responsibilities Kobe has.
I still say that if Kobe were in the league back in '84ish, he would have duplicated if not built upon MJ's successes. Players that are more athletic right now can't check this dude and he going into his 16th year - which is unheard of. People talk about LBJ's defense. Well, like Pop did with Duncan against a premiere big, Mike Brown protected him by not letting him guard Kobe until like the 4th quarter or key possessions. Why? Because they both knew both their star players would foul out (Duncan against Shaq and LBJ against Kobe). No one and I mean no one could guard this dude one on one. They needed strongside zones and other gimmicks to deal with him.
Case in point: San Antonio has had one of the best defensive teams in league history for a long time. But they still had to go out and get Bruce Lee Bowen to deal with Kobe - despite their twin towers. Speaks to Kobe's greatness because the same concessions were not made for the "MDE".
81 was great, but if PJ left Kobe in the game when he outscored the Mavs 62-61 after 3 quarters, he would have ended up with about 90 that night. No joke. Kobe's a streaky shooter and he was ON that night. The funny part is Mavs were contenders that year and Kobe destroyed them.
This is not to you in particular, but it's ok to recognize Kobe's greatness and still love MJ - who's legend grows year by year.
Definitely. Bryant would have been a beast in the 80s. Not the teenage Kobe but the 2002-2009 Bryant. Drop him in the 80s and he'd probably light it up. But it would test his psyche just like it tested Mike's especially when dealing with Detroit. What would Kobe do if the Bad Boys light him up constantly? I think he would hold his own very well.
Also, those old school players are just bad asses. Kobe's an old school player. All those forced shots would probably get him ed up if he was on thee wrong team. He wouldn't do that on a Magic Johnson led squad. Kareem would probably Bruce Lee his ass.
Tex Winter
Dude is senile
Finally good to see him get in the Hall nonetheless........
sucks when they give you the honor after you're six feet deep ........
trying to on Kool will only cause constipation. The only thing you've given is your gotdam opinion nothing more...you haven't said ...facts? Benedict please...classic
OK. Don't get upset because I constantly on your theories and present factual information during debates and you bring, well, thread les
trying to on Kool will only cause constipation. The only thing you've given is your gotdam opinion nothing more...you haven't said ...facts? Benedict please...
not really .... you guys help me pass the time when I'm at work. And facts?? Just go to the Tyson thread. But wait, all that do entation, even from the WBC, doesn't count ....... yes, you're right.
Remember, keep things in perspective. This is a sports forum.
Facts to you I call BS....you've proved nothing in this thread except that your are good friends w Arnold and that you steal time from your employer...not really .... you guys help me pass the time when I'm at work. And facts?? Just go to the Tyson thread. But wait, all that do entation, even from the WBC, doesn't count ....... yes, you're right.
Remember, keep things in perspective. This is a sports forum.
Lakerfan on Lakerfan violence... to think they used to make light of Spurfan on Spurfan violence... The Skunker seems to have left it's mark... smh
The Skunker!!!
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