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Since when does a US Attorney General have any say in foreign policy?Holder was adamant: “The United States is committed to hold Iran accountable for its actions.
Are you serious?
The way this looks to be unfolding he could play a prominent role as the other Security Council states ask for proof. That we are making the claim to the security council is very telling as to how this is going to go.
C'mon, be fair. His statement was made in the context of a federal investigation and arrest on American soil.
While holding Iran accountable for their involvement really isn't in his wheelhouse, such bloviating helps keep the hounds at bay over other matters he might want to avoid talking about ::cough:: gunwalker ::cough::
Nobody cares about that , Yoni. Give it up. The ATF has used similar policies for a decade you just havent figured that part out yet while everyone else has.
Link?
I keep hearing this but, fact is, there is no evidence that, prior to 2009, any government agency intentionally funded and allowed the purchase of thousands -- thousands (over 2,000 in Fast and Furious alone) of straw gun purchases by criminals who then took those guns across the border, unimpeded, to narco-terrorist cartels who then used them to murder over 200 Mexican nationals and at least two U. S. law enforcement agents.
My understanding is Fast and Furious existed before 2009 but the "gunwalking" element is a wrinkle added by the current administration.
I'd like to know why and would think you'd be interested, as well.
I don't trust the law and order crwod in this country. You try and portray it as something new with the Obama Administration. I imagine Drudge or Fox News is feeding you this.
CBS had a story a while ago indicating that this policy of using dealers and tracking cartel members through them is not new no matter how important it is for you to pin it on a particular political party.
Personally I think crimes of turpitude and violence are about the only ones worth enforcing and the whole system needs to be dismantled but thats jsut me. I do not see some 'new' corruption or set of lies. They have been doing ot the whole time.
You just want to pin it on the POTUS because thats what you keep reading from your mouthpieces. Stop it.
I don't care who you trust.
I've read the article and to date, there's no evidence that any "Operation Wide Receiver" gun ever made it to Mexico or ever showed up at a crime scene. The gun salesman they interviewed doesn't know what happened to the guns, he's drawn a conclusion based on contemporaneous reports of Fast and Furious guns making it across the border that that is what happened to the guns he sold. There's simply no evidence that's what happened. In fact, there were several arrests made as a result of "Operation Wide Receiver."
There is do ented evidence that "Operation Gunwalker" began in 2009.
There is adequate proof of "Operation Fast & Furious" guns, via "Operation Gunwalker," having made it across the border and are responsible for over 200 Mexican deaths and two U. S. agent deaths.
So, yeah, trust or not, a link would be nice if you're going to make the allegation the previous administration was running thousands of guns in to Mexico.
The operations are basically the same but you think its some new fangled sting idea. Give me a break. By all means continue wasting your time.
Except you have no proof guns were allowed to walk into Mexico under the Bush Administration.
They're fundamentally different and the best evidence of that is that "Operation Gun Walker," where guns were actually allowed to cross the border, began in 2009. Why attach a totally new program to "Operation Fast and Furious" if "Operation Fast and Furious" was already doing that?
Your problem is you want to believe both administrations were doing the same thing so you can continue the canard -- usually employed when Democrats are busted -- "eh, well, both sides do it."
In this case, as in most cases, you're dead wrong. Your at least 200 Mexican nationals and 2 U. S. agents dead wrong.
Nope. For the Nth time, I think Israel knows what it's doing.
What they've been doing. Fending them off, infiltrating them, sabotaging their nuclear program, etc. Looks to me Israel knows what it's doing.
Wow, such a hater. Bush had a seizure and began suffering from early onset dementia - he didn't just randomly chock on a pretzel.let's take a look:
Obama killed Bin Laden
Obama killed Alquaida #2
Obama killed Alquaida #3
Obama dismantled the plot to kill Saudi Ambassador
meanwhile a few years back:
Bush tried to eat a pretzel and ended up in the ER
and LOL @ the Rightwingers sucking on GW's balls every time a terror plot gets snuffed out. What's even funnier is that this time the threat is an obvious and total fake and just an excuse for god know's what kind of military intervention to unify us against an external threat so we don't focus on the internal threats. Iran is full of assholes, but they don't have so much influence in the middle-east cuz they are idiots, idiots. Now chew on THAT, nuccas!
Intentional Fraud?
Its really simple. What evidence do they have about the money. How do they know where it came from for example. this is the question that you would think people would ask.
Yet now there is this notion that Iran some paragon of foreign policy and covert intelligence and the debate is being centered around that. That is neither here nor there when the accusations are being centered around this money.
Its really not hard to ascertain whether or not there is validity to it.
Did the money exist?
and if so, where did it come from?
Without that evidence it certainly sounds like something out of the naked gun or the like but its moot with regards to that cash.
If the $100k did in fact come from a source in Iranian Government it is what it is. If it didn't then you cannot prove .
Even then, there would be the question of what part of the Iranian government did it. Folks think Iran, its government and its people are a monolith and Ahmadinejad is the dictator who controls everything.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I question the timing. ::cough::Fast & Furious::cough::Solyndra::cough
lol conspiracy yoni
True, the Iran-Contra affair was not nearly on the level of Fast/Furious & the Solyndra scandal is 100x worse than the billions lost in Iraq/Afghanistan to no-bid contractors...these times definately call for a war to distract us!
Also, I'm white, over 65 years years old, never made more than 55K annually, and don't see the Socialism is Social Security - so take my opinion for what it's worth.
I definitely understand but the Justice Department is claiming that they can trace the money back to the Quds force either through telephone conversations or this cash.
All this speculation on whether or not the super duper pro Iranian military would do this is moot in face of that.
It would be analogous to somebody in the CIA doing something stupid. I don't see in that context why people are just discounting it.
Not another curve-ball! Holder's guns to Mexico had nothing to do with this make-believe story involving Iran....
CBS' Sharyl Atkkisson suggests "Fast/Furious" evidence might be withheld...
due to the involvement of personnel in other Federal agencies. On Face the Nation minutes ago:
"Attkinson, who also appeared on 'Face the Nation,' pointed out that one reason evidence might be withheld is if it were 'matched to a confidential informant that was being used by DEA or FBI or another agency.'"
Atkkisson seems convinced that other agencies are indeed involved:
"There are a lot of questions out there because other agencies were involved in this operation," she said.
Darrell Issa (R) claims that Attorney General Holder's "Number Two" man had intimate knowledge of "Fast and Furious" operations:
"His chief of staff had intimate details; we have notes in his handwriting that shows that the number two and Eric Holder's right hand had intimate details for long time," Issa told CBS' Bob Schieffer. "One of the questions is, why wouldn't you tell your boss about a program that had gotten so out-of-control that it had all kinds of people scurrying to try to stop it?"
I don't think there was every any exchange money involved, just promises.or hearsay...
NationEven by the forgiving standards of American credulity, the supposed Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the US is spectacularly ludicrous. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a sinister harbinger of a new crisis, possibly war.
Why would Iran want to kill the Saudi envoy - not the colourful and influential Prince Bandar who used to hold the job, but the mild-mannered functionary, Adel al-Jubeir? To kill any ambassador - particularly a Saudi ambassador - is to invite lethal retaliation, even war. Iran doesn’t want war with the US.
Manssor J. Arbabsiar, an Iranian-American used car salesman from Corpus Christi, Texas, has been indicted as the chief conspirator working for Iranian intelligence. He is charged with promising to pay $1.5 million to Los Zetas - one of the Mexican drug cartels - to kill the Saudi ambassador at a restaurant in Washington.
The FBI claims that Arbabsiar told the Drug Enforcement Agency’s informant - posing as a high-ranking member of Los Zetas - that it would be “no big deal” if many others died at the restaurant, possibly including United States senators. He also proposed bombing the Israeli embassy.
Absolute proof...the honorable Mike Rodgers was on the Pags show today, here is a chairman of the intelligence committee, which itself is an oxymoron, selling that he had seen 'numerous evidence' that elements within Iran were involved in the plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador in NY.......we've been following this story pretty closely and I have not seen anything but hearsay, and cir stantial evidence....none that connects the Qud forces nor the Iranian government....
You Pags....you were a en cheer leader for Bush administration and its manufacturing of cir stantial evidence that lead to the death of 100,000's of people Iraq and American...none of which proved to be true...now your calling for Israel to attack Iranian nuclear sites, and spill nuclear waste fallout equal to numerous dirty bombs all over the region that could kill another 100,000+....how the you live with yourself knowing that your making money spreading en lies and promoting death and war.... you Pags, WOAI and Clear Channel.
Oh great!
GuardianThe Iranian plot the US government says aimed to murder Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington allegedly fell down because a member of the Mexican Zeta drug cartel hired to carry out the job for $1.5m was actually a US informant.
these 'informants' have worked so well in the past
I wouldn't be surprised to find out most of the departments are compromised by the very cartels they are supposedly fighting....
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