Grow up.I don't mind you checking my ass at all...just use your tongue that's my only requirement...
Let me pull down my britches...hook me up D.....
From a Lakers' fan perspective, what year should he have been given another MVP award????It's more of a testament to how good he is and how totally worthless others in the league are when it comes to defense.... Sour fan oops Spur fan want their cake and eat it too. They robbed him of MVPs that he deserved dam near every year now they want to strip him of his Defensive awards as well...
5 to 4 has really opened up some ass holes...
Only #19 I always knew BSPN hated the spurs but #19? come on. Let me guess Lebron 1-17 and Paul Pierce was 18?
If you look at how many team mates were butted against each other in the rankings, you can tell much of it was just "oh yeah" type stuff.
This year for Most Violently Penetrated.
Sorry I had to.
/Lefty
every year from 2002-2010...face it the MVP critieria / goal posts are often moved by the media to avoid giving it to Kobe...here's a novel idea...why don't we give it to not only the best player voted by GM's and his Peers but also by impact on the league itself...Sure he didn't have the best numbers in every category nor did he ring every year during that span but the fact is he was regarded by his peers and the global basketball community as basketball god 101...He held the league up...if not for Kobe post MJ the league would have failed....just like Magic and Bird save it in the 80s and MJ saved it in the 90's Shaq and Kobe saved it in the 2000's and Kobe continued to carry it once Shaq fell off...why do you think the Chinese love him more than Yao, why do you think people will pay him 2 mill for one game...he's the Don of the league and has been for a long time. All that other Media spin and BS you read about Duncan, Nash, Dirk, Lebron is just that..Bull ... them s couldn't hold up the league like Kobe did...they cant draw crowds like Kobe...Lebron tried but failed miserably...to me that's the sign of a MVP...impact on the league...if not for Kobe post MJ I wouldn't even watch that ...
real talk tbh
MVP literally means most valuable to the league...no other player can make such a claim from a domestic or global standpoint during Kobe's era. Now Deal with that Mr. Media Buy In guy...
Lick up and I'll grow for ya....
Horford(overrated at this point IMO, but still), Nowitzki, Griffin, Gasol, Randolph, Bosh, Howard, Stoudemire, and Aldridge are all better big men, at this point..
Kobe making the top 5 would be a travesty, as well, although not as outrageous as his defensive accolade, last season..
duncan plays like a scrub when theres not another big playin alongside him....
I smell .
absolutely disgraceful. sons this is almost as pathetic as ABC rigging the voting in order to keep that freak show Chaz Bono aka Tony Romo on that dancing show.
REAL TALK: Tim Duncan isn't even a top 75 player in the NBA anymore. I would rank him somewhere between 90-100.
Agreed. and lol Kool ...Im the one who created the thread. Said he was too high. But 60 Luva? he still probably top 30-35. Top 20 is crazy ...
Travesty? You come out of hibernation for hyperbole?
Horford(overrated at this point IMO, but still), Nowitzki, Griffin, Gasol, Randolph, Bosh, Howard, Stoudemire, and Aldridge are all better big men, at this point..
Kobe making the top 5 would be a travesty, as well, although not as outrageous as his defensive accolade, last season..
Even Spur trolls are stealing from Cully ...
He is a trend setter. He sets trends.
I would still take Duncan over Bosh. On the Spurs or the Heat.
Deuce calling someone a moron
Duncan+Haslem> Bosh+J.Anthony
Defense- Duncan>>> Bosh
Rebounding-Duncan>>Bosh
Creating for Teammates-Duncan>>Bosh
Leadership-Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bosh(AND THE HEAT NEED A LEADER)
Emotional Stability-Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>Bosh
every year from 2002-2010...face it the MVP critieria / goal posts are often moved by the media to avoid giving it to Kobe...here's a novel idea...why don't we give it to not only the best player voted by GM's and his Peers but also by impact on the league itself...Sure he didn't have the best numbers in every category nor did he ring every year during that span but the fact is he was regarded by his peers and the global basketball community as basketball god 101...He held the league up...if not for Kobe post MJ the league would have failed....just like Magic and Bird save it in the 80s and MJ saved it in the 90's Shaq and Kobe saved it in the 2000's and Kobe continued to carry it once Shaq fell off...why do you think the Chinese love him more than Yao, why do you think people will pay him 2 mill for one game...he's the Don of the league and has been for a long time. All that other Media spin and BS you read about Duncan, Nash, Dirk, Lebron is just that..Bull ... them s couldn't hold up the league like Kobe did...they cant draw crowds like Kobe...Lebron tried but failed miserably...to me that's the sign of a MVP...impact on the league...if not for Kobe post MJ I wouldn't even watch that ...
real talk tbh
MVP literally means most valuable to the league...no other player can make such a claim from a domestic or global standpoint during Kobe's era. Now Deal with that Mr. Media Buy In guy...
I know damn well you dont believe that . Sure, he was the best player in the league during many of those years, but who in their right mind is gonna give the MVP award to a player in 2005 when his team doesn't even make the playoffs? The award has been very consistent recently. Best player usually on the best team; or best player on a team that's won their division with a high playoff seeding.
Most Laker fans continue to say he should have more MVP awards but still don't have the "facts" to back up that claim. Some will say he had an 81 point game. So one game garners an MVP trophy?
Based on recent criteria, you can't give the trophy to a guy on a team that misses the playoffs (2005), and is seeded seventh when they make the playoffs, finishing 9 and 19 games behind the division leader. (2006, 2007).
debatable years
2001 - he avg'd 28.5 points but what Iverson (31.1 ppg) did that year was a no-brainer. Shaquille avg'd 28.7 didn't help Bean's cause.
2002 - 25/5.5/5.5 from Bryant against 25/nearly 13 rebounds/2.5 blocks from Duncan. What probably got the nod for Tim? Shaquille avg'd 27/11. C Webb should have gotten more run.
2003 - 30/6/7 from Bryant. One of his best years. Lakers were a five seed and could have easily been a six seed. They finished nine games behind the first place Kings. Can't give him the award there when the squad is nine game out in the Pacific Division and 10 out in the Western Conference.
2004 - 24/5/5 on an underachieving squad. He missed 17 games that year and KG had a tremendous year leading the T-Wolves to the best record in the West: 24/14/5/2
2009 - LeBron had better numbers across the board and his team had the best record.
2010 - see 2009
Based on that "he's the best player in the league" argument, he could have sat out one year and still gotten the award.
I know damn well you dont believe that . Sure, he was the best player in the league during many of those years, but who in their right mind is gonna give the MVP award to a player in 2005 when his team doesn't even make the playoffs? The award has been very consistent recently. Best player usually on the best team; or best player on a team that's won their division with a high playoff seeding.
Most Laker fans continue to say he should have more MVP awards but still don't have the "facts" to back up that claim. Some will say he had an 81 point game. So one game garners an MVP trophy?
Based on recent criteria, you can't give the trophy to a guy on a team that misses the playoffs (2005), and is seeded seventh when they make the playoffs, finishing 9 and 19 games behind the division leader. (2006, 2007).
debatable years
2001 - he avg'd 28.5 points but what Iverson (31.1 ppg) did that year was a no-brainer. Shaquille avg'd 28.7 didn't help Bean's cause.
2002 - 25/5.5/5.5 from Bryant against 25/nearly 13 rebounds/2.5 blocks from Duncan. What probably got the nod for Tim? Shaquille avg'd 27/11. C Webb should have gotten more run.
2003 - 30/6/7 from Bryant. One of his best years. Lakers were a five seed and could have easily been a six seed. They finished nine games behind the first place Kings. Can't give him the award there when the squad is nine game out in the Pacific Division and 10 out in the Western Conference.
2004 - 24/5/5 on an underachieving squad. He missed 17 games that year and KG had a tremendous year leading the T-Wolves to the best record in the West: 24/14/5/2
2009 - LeBron had better numbers across the board and his team had the best record.
2010 - see 2009
Based on that "he's the best player in the league" argument, he could have sat out one year and still gotten the award.
heard all that bull before...gotta be on the best team, gotta have the best record, gotta make your teammates better, your team gotta make the playoffs...if he's the mutha ing best player then he's the best player...that's it...
Like I said the goal posts are moved if you're part of the media and voting for Kobe...
you've posted nothing new..the fact that you start out by saying he was the best but but but...is all I need to hear....You've said nothing to dispute my claims that Kobe held the NBA up post MJ...He's been consistently the best most exciting most driven and the NBA's top draw and money maker and yet you quibble about a tenth of points to prove your shotty case. Good or bad if it wasn't for him the NBA wouldn't have the global acclaim that it enjoys today...
As long as Kobe's peers and GM's around the league agree with me..and I've posted enough proof that they do...I feel vindicated...you can spout that goal post moving bull the media fabricated years ago all you want...I actually wish my hadn't won it in 2008 because 2008 was nothing but a token...give 2008 to Chris Paul - I'm sure you can make a case for Paul anyway Ashy...in fact Kobe should have none...it's a Media award and it's unfortunate that the coaches and players can't vote otherwise Kobe would have won it every year as I've stated and I don't think there's no disputing that.
You'd lose money if you bet he wouldn't have won it had he been judged by GM's, coaches, and his peers from 2002-2010...real players know what's up...
that's it and that's all...
Kobe is not even near top 5
that's the real travesty
TD is somewhere between 30-35 currently
You make some good points I think the one he got plus one of Nash's should of went to kobe Lebron should of had the other. I dont DISAGREE with your fact ... Ashy.I know damn well you dont believe that . Sure, he was the best player in the league during many of those years, but who in their right mind is gonna give the MVP award to a player in 2005 when his team doesn't even make the playoffs? The award has been very consistent recently. Best player usually on the best team; or best player on a team that's won their division with a high playoff seeding.
Most Laker fans continue to say he should have more MVP awards but still don't have the "facts" to back up that claim. Some will say he had an 81 point game. So one game garners an MVP trophy?
Based on recent criteria, you can't give the trophy to a guy on a team that misses the playoffs (2005), and is seeded seventh when they make the playoffs, finishing 9 and 19 games behind the division leader. (2006, 2007).
debatable years
2001 - he avg'd 28.5 points but what Iverson (31.1 ppg) did that year was a no-brainer. Shaquille avg'd 28.7 didn't help Bean's cause.
2002 - 25/5.5/5.5 from Bryant against 25/nearly 13 rebounds/2.5 blocks from Duncan. What probably got the nod for Tim? Shaquille avg'd 27/11. C Webb should have gotten more run.
2003 - 30/6/7 from Bryant. One of his best years. Lakers were a five seed and could have easily been a six seed. They finished nine games behind the first place Kings. Can't give him the award there when the squad is nine game out in the Pacific Division and 10 out in the Western Conference.
2004 - 24/5/5 on an underachieving squad. He missed 17 games that year and KG had a tremendous year leading the T-Wolves to the best record in the West: 24/14/5/2
2009 - LeBron had better numbers across the board and his team had the best record.
2010 - see 2009
Based on that "he's the best player in the league" argument, he could have sat out one year and still gotten the award.
But there is nothing that says you have to choose a top player off top 2 or 3 team. that is just what the award has evolved to.
Once they stopped giving it to MJ in the late 90's ... the award was full of . Not that Malone wasnt deserving or Nash but the best player should win it, but most times that does NOT happen.
Nash#14
Westbrook#15
What do you guys think?
Me, I say a little high for both at this stage of their careers. But it's not a travesty or anything ...
Amare is at #13
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