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Is he talking about people under the poverty line? Not so sure what people specifically he's referencing, tbh
I don't want to make a predetermined judgement about this; from the synopsis I saw on Drudge much of Buchanan's new book "Suicide of a Superpower - Will America Survive to 2025?" - I would disagree with much of PB's assertions and conclusions (most specifically regarding race) - however, this one quote struck me as a truism (as inflammatory as it is written).
First of all, is it true - are there 40 million people (the population of Spain) in this country who are born, live and die - always on government assistance? If there are, whose fault is it? Is it necessarily a bad thing? And, if it is, how do you fix the problem?“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”
Is he talking about people under the poverty line? Not so sure what people specifically he's referencing, tbh
I believe he's talking about people born on Welfare, live on Welfare/Medicaid (never have jobs, never pay taxes), and then die.
Assuming Buchannan's fantasy is not a fantasy, what is his solution?
Just another punitive, vindictive. vengeful right winger, he criminalizes the poor (while simlultaneously cutting stuff like Pell grants and public education that help the poor move up). Also, he's trying to sell books to like minded as opposed to acutally giving a about America.
He doesn't have any solutions, nor do I.
And America isn't the only society where the bottom 20% get stuck in the bottom 20%.
Upward economic/social mobility has decreased in America since the VRWC got its rolling with St Ronnie.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 10-14-2011 at 04:51 PM.
Some are born with a silver spoon too.
where's the section about all the welfare the mega-wealthy just received?
And where would one source that? I mean, 40 million people is over 1 in 10 americans. On welfare throughout? Call me skeptic.
Anecdotal, but I personally don't know one single person like that. I know people that used to work then had a disability, etc.
Good question; "their entire lives" is quite possibly an inflamatory exaggeration; would like to know the source (assuming there is one), however.
Boutons brings up a good point. Assuming its true (which honestly is a huge assumption) what is the course of action? Just leave them behind?
Was that his point? Hard to determine through all the insults.
Anyway, there's the rub, right?
How does a country have a lower class that has reasonable opportunity for mobility out of it? If children are products of their environment, and mom and dad are deadbeats, how do you stand a chance of helping THAT child learn to not be a deadbeat? Is it at all possible to not have poor?
Would this not also explain the vast "income inequality" everyone keeps harping on?
Until Obama took office, median income was up. It's since dropped some but, still, it's better than most countries. Just because we have a 1% club that attracts exponentially more income than the other 99% doesn't mean the other 99% isn't doing pretty damn well...except of course for the small percentage that "Occupy Wall Street" because they can't plan and whatever percentage of Buchanan's 40% that are born, live, and die on public assistance.
Back this up?
Are you serious?
Perhaps Yoni meant median income went down post 2008. That is true to my knowledge.
Last edited by Winehole23; 10-14-2011 at 02:50 PM.
"Up" as in "higher than now" as opposed to "had been rising"?
Maybe.
Yoni can you clarify (and preferably, link)?
He probably is. It can be hard to put pins in the relentless fog he emits.
Income falls 3.2% during Obama’s term
Put a pin in it, Winehole; the fog has lifted.Real personal income for Americans - excluding government payouts such as Social Security - has fallen by 3.2 percent since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis.
For comparison, real personal income during the first 15 months in office for President George W. Bush, who inherited a milder recession from his predecessor, dropped 0.4 percent. Income excluding government payouts increased 12.7 percent during Mr. Bush’s eight years in office.
pussy eater blames Barry for the economic effects and depression that started before Barry even announced to run.
Death panels?
Is this an insult?
It's a reference to my name.
NBER: "Personal income less transfers peaked in December 2007" and has "generally declined since June" 2008. In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) announced that the recession began in December 2007. At that time, NBER stated, "Our measure of real personal income less transfers peaked in December 2007, displayed a zig-zag pattern from then until June 2008 at levels slightly below the December 2007 peak, and has generally declined since June." NBER noted that "[t]o adjust personal income less transfer payments from nominal to real terms (that is, to remove the effects of price changes), the committee uses the deflator for gross domestic product."
Spin that , yoni
Those silver spooned angel-darlings are called job creators, and we'd be punishing their success with an estate tax.
Take it up with the Washington Times.
The comment was incidental to the point that, even though we have the biggest "income inequality" in the world, we also have some of the wealthiest people on the low end of that disparity.
Who cares about "income inequality" when the vast majority of Americans, except for OWS losers and life members of the welfare class, are doing just fine.
So you were lying. Okay.
If the 99% had an average annual income of $1,000,000.00, we'd still have the biggest "income inequality" in the world.
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