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WC, I wasn't bashing you, you disagreed.
However, sewing =/= sewing your clothes from scratch. I'm pretty sure if everyone had to sew their own clothes, they wouldn't have time for a job.
Why don't you think about those poor rich people? Class warfare!Son let me settle this for all you dummies
1. If you make less than 30k a year...NO TAX OFF YOU LOSER and go to school
2. 30k to 100k you pay 10%
3. 100k to 250k your ass pays 20% (my category)
4. 250k on up you pay 30%
Done...see how simple that was.
WC, I wasn't bashing you, you disagreed.
However, sewing =/= sewing your clothes from scratch. I'm pretty sure if everyone had to sew their own clothes, they wouldn't have time for a job.
did some number crunching and made it 100-500k category
30% as the max rate is more than fair for those making a load....they still save with my 10 - 10 - 10 increment plan
So, we have evil corporations that make clothes we buy. Some of those manufacturers are listed in the exchanges on Wall Street.
If the Occupiers get their way, you may be making your own clothes; killing your own dinner; building your own car; etc...
No, I don't want to coddle them to the point that they are comfortable staying where they are, and not bettering themselves.
I don't know. That was before the democrats started wring the annual budget. Now we are so far in debt, that 23% might have to be 25%.
What makes you think they aren't trying? People are not looking for jobs?
Why not go with a flat tax, I say per worker, a set rate for all, and an equal deduction for all. At one point I threw out the idea that you pay the same percentage of all income above minimum wage. Maybe 125% of minimum wage would be better.Son let me settle this for all you dummies
1. If you make less than 30k a year...NO TAX OFF YOU LOSER and go to school
2. 30k to 100k you pay 10%
3. 100k to 500k your ass pays 20% (my category)
4. 500k on up you pay 30%
Done...see how simple that was.
With no write offs other than a single standard deduction, why should a high wage earner pay a higher percentage than a low wage earner?
At 125% of minimum wage...
$7.25 x 2080 x 1.25 = $18,850 for a standard deduction. taxes would be paid at a set percentage above the $$18,850. Someone earning $12/hr would make just short of $25k and pay $1,087.70 in federal income tax. $30/hr would make $62.4k and pay $7,403.50 in taxes.
I think 125% would be a good number, but I would be willing to accept 150%.
Some people are happy with their government handouts and section 8 housing, and do not look for work!
I'm not talking about the newly unemployed, but the long term welfare recipients.
The problem with taxing income is it requires that income be reported. That leads to all sorts of schemes to determine what cons utes income. Do you claim gifts? Cash salaries? Do you have to report dividends? income on investments? It's just too messy and, in all probability, just leads us back to where we are today.
That's what I like about the consumption tax.
Yes, I know and agree. However, do you think congress would ever give up so much taxing power?
This was the same rhetoric during the Clinton, Gingrich, and Gramm years with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. All the claims were proven to be wrong then but you keep on beating that same GOP thought.
Gingrich fed us that back then.
its hilarious you guys about AFDC and ignore the cluster that is Dodd-Frank.
You specifically tell us to think of others when viewing corporate policy and then spout this. You are a sad commentary on humans.
Yes, I think they will. One election at a time.
I hope you are right.
Welfare queens!
Who are these people? How many?
I am not going to attempt to quantify it. However, you agree they exist. Right? Just the fact they exist shows we are too generous.
Of course you won't. Basically, you've walked away from about 4 of your own claims today alone.
And I will continue to do so when you ask for me to look up references you can for yourself. I already spend too much time here on the keyboard, and have no intent right now taking so much more time searching for things. I am comfortable with my words. I don't need to justify them. I have better things to do than spend that much more time here.
Back to my words and underlying question:
Do you agree we are too generous when some people are comfortable living off the handouts?I am not going to attempt to quantify it. However, you agree they exist. Right? Just the fact they exist shows we are too generous.
Do you agree people are too generous when they let you pass your opinion off as fact when the burden of proof is actually on you?
I actually cannot. That's why I'm asking you to back them up.
I don't know one single person living off "handouts". Now, I don't know a lot of people, but I can only speak from what I know.
Well, I have met such people. It's a real eye opener to know such people.
How many?
Some of my best friends are black.
In the early part of my career, I was in and out of Section 8 housing projects. I saw the squalor and the desperation and the resignation. I also saw the expensive electronics, gold chains, tricked out cars, and designer clothes.
Unlike Wild Cobra, I wouldn't say they were "happy" with their government handouts. They were never "happy" with anything. What I would say, is they weren't going to lift one finger to improve their situation so, unless government comes along and gives them more, they'll settle for what they have and just move along, spending their discretionary income (of which they have more because we're paying for everything else) on things that are transient because they're flashy or trendy or because they think it gives them status.
They don't save the money our tax dollars keep them from having to spend. They don't even spend it modestly. They load their shopping carts with steaks and alcohol and unhealthy snacks and then let their Lone Star Card (or whatever the current incarnation of shame-free gimme card is being used to replace food stamps where they actually had to purchase the item on the do ent) pay for it.
What disgusts me is liberals don't recognize this and just continue to give them more and more and more, oblivious to the fact the people will just sit there and take it and continue to complain about what they don't have.
If you went back into those neighborhoods today, it'd be the same people, or their kids, living the same lives, blaming the rest of us for their situation.
No, they're not happy with their Section 8 housing and their government handout. They want what you have too. They just don't want to do the work you had to do to get it.
91% of capable workers, in this ty economy that's not offering many jobs, do work.
Not that long ago, on a more favorable economy, that was 95%. I'm not sure what "liberals" have to recognize. That most people that can work, do work?
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