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    So, we have evil corporations that make clothes we buy. Some of those manufacturers are listed in the exchanges on Wall Street.

    If the Occupiers get their way, you may be making your own clothes; killing your own dinner; building your own car; etc...
    Way to put words in my mouth Yoni. When did I ever say corps who make clothes were evil?

    Why don't you just back the f up before you start assuming what I think, thanks.

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    Way to put words in my mouth Yoni. When did I ever say corps who make clothes were evil?

    Why don't you just back the f up before you start assuming what I think, thanks.
    So you agree the Occupy Wall Street is misguided, that not all corporations are evil?

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    'Occupy Wall Street is misguided, that not all corporations are evil?"

    I thought you guys didn't know what OWS was protesting, so you make up to denigrate them?

    They aren't saying all corporations are evil.

    Keep on defending the financial sector, as if we needed any more proof that you're assholes.

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    So you agree the Occupy Wall Street is misguided, that not all corporations are evil?
    I don't think all corporations are evil. I also don't think the "Occupy Wall Street" movement says that all corporations are evil. I'm relatively neutral on the whole thing. If people want to protest, go for it. I don't think it will accomplish much though.

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    Nothing will be accomplished unless the protest movement gets many 10s of seats in Congress and Senate, but the system is so rotten, the Repugs will block all reform.

    There were Dem Senators who would have voted against Barry's Jobs bill, but they knew it had no chance of passing the unCons utional anti-filibuster obstruction of 60-votes, so they voted for it to hide their true enslavement to UCA.

    There won't be 2012 candidates running on a platform that supported the OWS grievances.

    America is so ed, and will be more ed in the coming years as the Repugs obstruct all reform while continuing to protect/enrich the UCA and capitalists to the detriment of Human-Americans, water, land, air. And suckered evangelicals and red-state lower class will be right there to keep voting against their own interests and re-electing destructive Repugs.

    My tax plan would be to roll all tax cuts back to 1980, re-install Glass-Steagall, add a truly punitive, confiscatory carbon pollution tax on BigOilGas and BigCoal, and announce an introduction of Federal transport fuel tax over 5 years to push gas and diesel to $7 or $8/gallon.

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    I don't think all corporations are evil. I also don't think the "Occupy Wall Street" movement says that all corporations are evil. I'm relatively neutral on the whole thing. If people want to protest, go for it. I don't think it will accomplish much though.
    The "Occupy" movement is anti-capitalist. They hate all corporations even though they wear the clothes, eat the food, use the electronics, etc...

    If they had their way, they'd bring down our free market economy and, LnGrrrR, whether you like it or not, they don't seem to be very discriminating about which corporations are evil and which are not.

    So, get ready to make your own clothes, kill your own food, and build your own car. That's not putting words in your mouth or telling you what to think, it's what the "Occupy Wall Street" idiots would like to see happen.

    Of course, I'm not inclined to believe they've not thought it through that well.

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    "The "Occupy" movement is anti-capitalist."

    YOU LIE

    Easily more accurately, as always, I say they are against unregulated, predatory, polluting, wealth-sucking corps and capitalists.

    iow, the way the USA was set up before 1980 with St Ronnie's initiation of the VRWC fest which got the planet into the current and unending human disaster.

    btw, the basic principle of capitalism is to sell the tiest possible product for the highest possible price, while externalizing all costs of damage to employees, land, water, air, and with absolutely no allegiance to any country, no allegiance to anything except increasing the wealth of the owners. A great system to be against and to demand that it be regulated to protect people, air, water, food and contribute its fair share to building and maintaining infrastructure.
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    I've said it repeatedly, I'm also against "unregulated wealth-sucking" corps. They're not the ones who made themselves unregulated, the government did. Don't protest Wall Street, protest DC and the people who actually have the ability to restrict power corporations have.

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    What do they expect Wall Street to do? More charity and philanthropy work? Give more jobs to lazy political science and psych graduates who have absolutely no skill or ability to contribute to their business?

    I've got news for the unemployed college grads with a major in like political science, your degree was just as worthless to employers 15 years ago as it was now. The only difference is the job you used to get can be done for a lot cheaper, but it never required a degree.

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    What do they expect Wall Street to do? More charity and philanthropy work? Give more jobs to lazy political science and psych graduates who have absolutely no skill or ability to contribute to their business?

    I've got news for the unemployed college grads with a major in like political science, your degree was just as worthless to employers 15 years ago as it was now. The only difference is the job you used to get can be done for a lot cheaper, but it never required a degree.
    I think the problem most people have is that it would be one thing if the bankers were dumb and ruined us financially, but didn't mean to.or if they were s bags, but they kept the financial world running smoothly.

    It's the seeming "wreck the country on purpose to make money then hold the country hostage" combo of s miness and stupidity that pissed me off. The only way this protest could ever work is if they threatened lives of CEOs that ed up in the future. Obviously a bit extreme, hence why I think the protests are kinda dumb.

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    Income tax rates still apply also. I am not doing away with that. I am only changing the "accounting" of the 6.2% Social security, and the 1.45% Medicare insurances, and matching employer payroll tax deductions. I am then allowing for minor changes in the rates, and holding congress accountable for changes to all workers. therefore the workers will be inclined to think before they vote for someone who wants to raise more revenues in taxation.
    I gathered that there was more to it, but you didn't answer the question:

    Do you think your pain will be equally felt by two different families one making 40k and the other 1m?
    ie will your income tax rate provision assuage equally the burden your plan places on a 40k per year family and 1m per year family?

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    What do they expect Wall Street to do? More charity and philanthropy work? Give more jobs to lazy political science and psych graduates who have absolutely no skill or ability to contribute to their business?
    You seem to know an awful lot about what degrees are held by new graduates. Just saying.

    How about asking them to reinvest in the taxpayers that contributed to help them stay afloat? Do companies not have record amounts of capital siting on the sidelines right now?

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    ie will your income tax rate provision assuage equally the burden your plan places on a 40k per year family and 1m per year family?
    I guess that would depend on your concept of equality. We all think differently upon those lines. Of course the burden will be redistributed somewhat.

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    I guess that would depend on your concept of equality. We all think differently upon those lines. Of course the burden will be redistributed somewhat.
    Answer the ing question

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    Just to be clear here:

    The right was all too quick to lambaste Obama's lack of experience because it would impair his abilities to make decisions as president...

    The solution is to nominate a man who took ideas from a video game and wants them to become federal tax law?

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    Just to be clear here:

    The right was all too quick to lambaste Obama's lack of experience because it would impair his abilities to make decisions as president...

    The solution is to nominate a man who took ideas from a video game and wants them to become federal tax law?
    You're underselling him; he also found a way to get fat s to eat more fast food.

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    You're underselling him; he also found a way to get fat s to eat more fast food.
    yeah cause thats hard

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