He didn't have a top 10 player this year = sweep.
That was my point.
Couldn't win a single game with the 11th best player in the league.
Still a fail. Duncan got swept the year before. Lakers got swept with both shaq and Kobe near their prime. in fact, Shaq who many claim is greater than Kobe has been swept on at least 6 different occasions including in the NBA finals. so what? Many great players have been skunked, even MJ.He didn't have a top 10 player this year = sweep.
That was my point.
Couldn't win a single game with the 11th best player in the league.
My entire point is throughout my years of arguing Bosh v Amare is that I've changed my tune a few times after seeing somethings on who I like better but I have always maintained that the gap was close enough that either could be argued.
Weren't the Suns concerned about his health for a long-term contract? Not really a valid point if that's the case.
That is all part of the argument. Players health is definitely a consideration.
But, as it turns out Sarver just didn't want to enter the arena of bidding over Amare. He didn't think he should have to. He believes the rules are not fair and has ever since with Gilbert in Cleveland prompting Stern to ins ute a hard cap. These two guys are what is driving Stern to fresh heights on the hard cap issue. , I wish they would just go in' away.
I don't think the hard cap is even an issue anymore, IMO it's just revenue sharing. Sarver and Gilbert were the only owners who ever seriously expected a hard cap in the new CBA, the other owners were just bluffing. Doubtful a hard cap happens.
It's an issue, but I don't think it's a real huge one at the moment.
Oh, I thought it was about who was the better player.
It is, in the question of who's better, durability is part of the equation.
Neither Duncan or MJ got swept with a border line top 10 player.
When did the Lakers get swept with prime shaq and kobe?
Ranking a player should be based upon what you seen from them. Not potential durability issues in the future.
Durability is not an issue of ranking how good a player is.
It's something to take into consideration when deciding what player you would rather have on your team.
It is definitely something to take into consideration when ranking how good someone is. It's the reason that has kept Manu from being ranked higher. When someone can't stay healthy enough to produce, it factors into how good they can be and how effective they truly are.
Either way, it's semantics and wasn't something that was really swaying the argument either way. The health argument goes into both evaluating them (ability to carry a load a la Manu argument) and who would you rather have on your team going forward (combo of age, health and how good someone is).
It's part and parcel of becoming good, that's the point I think. No one is arguing about how good Greg Oden was last year, even though we've seen good things from him when he was healthy. The same hindered TMac for years. We all knew what he could do, but part of him as a threat was him being able to play. Arenas is another example. So yes, even though you don't actively think about their health, it's a huge part of how they are ranked. They cannot build stats if they don't play.
If you're talking about next season (whenever that is), that's different. The ranks are based on past performances, since it's offseason.
5th best player beat the 1st and 3rd best player in the Finals.
If I were to make a list I would put Kobe at 8th. There is no reason for him to be ahead of Rose. To be completely honest though there is probably a few other players that should be ranked ahead of him even if he were ranked 8th.
Why does the fact that the Dallas Mavericks beat the Miami Heat make Dirk better than Wade/Bron? For a player averaging 7 rpg and being the worst defensive player on his teams starting line-up, I think hes right where he should be. Wouldnt have complained if he was ahead of Paul either...I think hes kinda been overrated since returning from injuries. His numbers and his team havent been anything spectacular the last few yrs.
Rose is too low too imo. Blake Griffin too high.
It doesn't make logical sense that Dirk can beat a team with two people better and Bosh who is better than any of Dirk's teammates.
I think your problem is that you don't take all the criteria that determines a player's worth into account.
It makes alot of sense when you look at how each team is constructed. Dallas is a very deep team, and has alot of solid defensive players to cover the fact that Dirk is very average on that end.
Miami is a 3 man team basically, who was their best player after those three...Chalmers?A rusty Haslem?Miller was a non-factor the whole season. I think Dirk is getting his due by being placed at 4-5. Bron, Dwight, and Wade are clearly better than him.
How is Le better than Dirk?
Derrick Rose is actually nowhere near as good as Kobe Bryant. He got a huge lift from the MVP he received, but don't pin the medal on the hero before the war even starts.
When Rose has the accomplishments that come even close to Kobe, I will reconsider.
I like Rose, no doubt, but he's more hype than substance right now. That could change and I will be the first to admit it.
The team that beat Rose's team was beaten by the team that beat Kobe's team.
So, no.
Like I said, I like Rose, he's a Memphis Tiger, but like Blake, he's not had enough time in grade to be in the talk.
The measure of a player in the NBA isn't just how he did recently. He's how he's done over his career.
If you had to choose tomorrow, Kobe or Rose, are you saying you would choose Rose?
I see Rose as Monta Ellis with a higher IQ.
Regardless, he was 8th. I can see how that's possible for an MVP, but Nash was a back to back MVP, and I would never consider him better than Kobe or Tim.
That statement doesn't mean anything.
Mavs>Heat
Mavs>LA
Heat>Bulls
That doesn't mean LA is better than the Bulls. Even if they were doesn't mean that Kobe>Rose. I mean Rose doesn't have the talent that Kobe does on his team, IMO.
Yes, I would take Rose over Kobe right now.
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