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    I think it's because people with a "liberal arts" degree typically tend to be the loudest and whiniest voice. People with engineering degrees and the like are less prone to emo outbursts, primarily because their worldview is less idealized than that of their artistic counterpart. Their expectations are grounded in reality for the most part, whereas the creative writing major entertains himself with visions of being the next great novelist. And then when they give up on that dream because they realize it's hard in' work that also requires a near superhuman amount of talent, they scale back their ambitions and look for a job as an editor at some literary magazine, only to find themselves standing in line behind others exactly like them, with the same degree, resume, and talents. Next thing you know, they're occupying Wall Street and lamenting about how there isn't any jobs.
    That said, I don't blame these kids for pursuing their passions. Like I said, what irritates people is the whining and the sense of en lement that betrays reality. A lot of them come out of school with their newly minted diploma and think they're going to hit the ground running, but when they find out the road is littered with hurdle after hurdle and their degree is largely useless in their chosen field, they, as the article stated, "have their worldview kicked in."

    It's too bad someone didn't tell them you can learn just as much about the arts being an autodidact as you can in a classroom, with the former being a of a lot cheaper. But the "liberal arts degree" industry is big business, advertising to these kids that a degree is the essential component needed if they want to achieve any kind of success.

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    I think it's because people with a "liberal arts" degree typically tend to be the loudest and whiniest voice. People with engineering degrees and the like are less prone to emo outbursts, primarily because their worldview is less idealized than that of their artistic counterpart. Their expectations are grounded in reality for the most part, whereas the creative writing major entertains himself with visions of being the next great novelist.
    Its called writing is a liberal art.

    Whoever would have thunk that a writer for New York Magazine had a liberal arts degree or a friend with a poetry degree? She apparently is able to create fairly creative provocative articles as evidenced by 375 posts and counting.

    Who is to say that her friend cannot write good poetry? One good thing about a glut of liberal arts degrees is that there is a good chance some of them might be good. There is value in pursuits of philosophy, poetry, history and psychology.

    The issue is that we have been in a period of recession and slow growth for a decade and its starting to marginalize certain segments of the population. Their 25% unemployment rate speaks to their involvement in the decision making process.

    You see people of that age group coming to the conclusion that they are not part of the problem. You see the epiphany time and time again. I am just waiting for the provisions concerning compulsory health care coverage and the reaction to that.

    Like I keep saying. Things are going to change.

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    Its called writing is a liberal art.

    Whoever would have thunk that a writer for New York Magazine had a liberal arts degree or a friend with a poetry degree? She apparently is able to create fairly creative provocative articles as evidenced by 375 posts and counting.

    Who is to say that her friend cannot write good poetry? One good thing about a glut of liberal arts degrees is that there is a good chance some of them might be good. There is value in pursuits of philosophy, poetry, history and psychology.

    The issue is that we have been in a period of recession and slow growth for a decade and its starting to marginalize certain segments of the population. Their 25% unemployment rate speaks to their involvement in the decision making process.

    You see people of that age group coming to the conclusion that they are not part of the problem. You see the epiphany time and time again. I am just waiting for the provisions concerning compulsory health care coverage and the reaction to that.

    Like I keep saying. Things are going to change.
    The point is you don't need to spend a $100K on a college education to learn how to write well or creatively. So when these kids are "shocked" their degree doesn't automatically transform them into the next Faulkner, forcing them to take a job waiting tables or something, which prompts them to place the blame on the "system" or "their parents," it irritates people. To me, it speaks of a lack of foresight on their part more than it does their parents misleading them or the system oppressing them.

    So yeah, in response to a quote you made earlier to another poster, the at udes of some 20-somethings do need to be evaluated.

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    The point is you don't need to spend a $100K on a college education to learn how to write well or creatively. So when these kids are "shocked" their degree doesn't automatically transform them into the next Faulkner, forcing them to take a job waiting tables or something, which prompts them to place the blame on the "system" or "their parents," it irritates people. To me, it speaks of a lack of foresight on their part more than it does their parents misleading them or the system oppressing them.

    So yeah, in response to a quote you made earlier to another poster, the at udes of some 20-somethings do need to be evaluated.
    Why though?

    I have a problem with the notion that someone in their late teens or early twenties should have a firm grasp on the ways of the world. They have little to no life experience so it should not come as a surprise that shock sets in once the paradigm they've lived in shatters. Their predicament is a learning experience free of charge (obviously not including the debt incurred), hopefully one which which will pay dividends later on in life.

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    Why though?

    I have a problem with the notion that someone in their late teens or early twenties should have a firm grasp on the ways of the world. They have little to no life experience so it should not come as a surprise that shock sets in once the paradigm they've lived in shatters. Their predicament is a learning experience free of charge (obviously not including the debt incurred), hopefully one which which will pay dividends later on in life.
    I could've structured that sentence better. It's not their shock that irritates people but the ensuing finger pointing.

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    I'm with the dude who punch each and every one of these hipster gots in the face. If these assholes spent less time on facebook, twitter, and youtube, and more time figuring out ways to supplement their income, they wouldn't be crying about their pathetic existence and "occupying Wall Street," which is nothing more than bull rebellion for the sake of rebellion.

    And the nerve of that one got to compare this to the Great Depression . Let me know when these jackasses are waiting in breadlines and throwing themselves off of buildings after losing their life savings. All these little brats have to do is call mommy and daddy and ask for money when things get tight, money that will likely go to cocaine, Pabst, and 100.00 ty haircuts.

    'em.

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    The point is you don't need to spend a $100K on a college education to learn how to write well or creatively. So when these kids are "shocked" their degree doesn't automatically transform them into the next Faulkner, forcing them to take a job waiting tables or something, which prompts them to place the blame on the "system" or "their parents," it irritates people. To me, it speaks of a lack of foresight on their part more than it does their parents misleading them or the system oppressing them.

    So yeah, in response to a quote you made earlier to another poster, the at udes of some 20-somethings do need to be evaluated.
    Do you have any idea what is involved in writing a book? Have you ever tried?

    Coming up with a 300 page cohesive work requires much training and if the schooling also includes the study of past works it improves the quality of writing. Pro writers are constantly working in workshops and improving their craft. That you think its just an easy speaks to you not knowing what you are talking about.

    25% unemployment for people aged 18-25 how is that not the ing systems fault.

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    I'm with the dude who punch each and every one of these hipster gots in the face. If these assholes spent less time on facebook, twitter, and youtube, and more time figuring out ways to supplement their income, they wouldn't be crying about their pathetic existence and "occupying Wall Street," which is nothing more than bull rebellion for the sake of rebellion.

    And the nerve of that one got to compare this to the Great Depression . Let me know when these jackasses are waiting in breadlines and throwing themselves off of buildings after losing their life savings. All these little brats have to do is call mommy and daddy and ask for money when things get tight, money that will likely go to cocaine, Pabst, and 100.00 ty haircuts.

    'em.
    Many people did commit suicide in 2007 i guess you jsut werent paying attention and poverty and homelessness are increasing at alarming rates. ed up unemployment rates will do that.

    Go ahead and stick your head in the sand and kee[ telling these kids all is well its really just their fault.

    You can only with people for so long but by all means make that bed.

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    And the nerve of that one got to compare this to the Great Depression .
    What nerve to compare comparable events. I guess all the world's economists are all gots too, huh?

    It doesn't matter how many times you or anybody else says we aren't in a global depression, it's not going to change any facts. Facts I'm sure you don't know or give a about because of your peon brain coming to a conclusion and ignoring any evidence which doesn't support it.











    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=worst+since+great+depression

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    Do you have any idea what is involved in writing a book? Have you ever tried?

    Coming up with a 300 page cohesive work requires much training and if the schooling also includes the study of past works it improves the quality of writing. Pro writers are constantly working in workshops and improving their craft. That you think its just an easy speaks to you not knowing what you are talking about.

    25% unemployment for people aged 18-25 how is that not the ing systems fault.
    Don't need a 100k liberal arts education to the study historical works of literature or get a workshop going with fellow authors.

    And where did I ever say it was in' easy? Bukowski, a person who never spent a minute in a college classroom, wrote himself into becoming a writer, compiling thousands of pages of material before he got a single word published.

    These en led kids today think their degree magically guarantees they'll produce good work or get hired in the industry. When they find out they need more than their diploma, and when the few short stories they wrote that their professor stamped with a gold star get rejected, they throw their hands up and cry about lack of opportunity, which progresses into complaints about "the system," eventually leading to cartoon rebelliousness filled with empty symbolism. For all its good intentions, the Occupy Wall Street movement is largely an exercise in emo angst. Not to mention, misdirected at the wrong ins ution. Washington D.C., where, you know, policy is actually made, would've been the more meaningful place to march.

    Satirical article about the situation, but nonetheless accurate in portraying the mentality of a good majority of the protesters:

    "As unemployment in Freedomland rises to hilarious extremes, filthy, pseudo-intellectual college hipsters concluded that the reason their liberal arts degrees weren't netting them $70,000+ salaried jobs straight out of the state university was because of the zionist one world government and their cronyism bleeding the country dry and oppressing the world, and now was the time to, like, throw off the chains of oppression, man!"

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Occupy_Wall_Street

    And yeah, I got more than a good idea what it takes to write a novel. I started out in a different literary endeavor and it took me 8 years before I was paid for any of my work.

    These kids want recognition now and a thriving career the minute they throw off their hat and gown. And as cold as it might sound, I have little sympathy for a liberal art's major plight. That's an area of study historically reserved for rich kids who were already set, a luxury. Now, you have people thinking they can build careers around a liberal arts degree. For a few, whether in academia or their chosen industry, it happens, but for the vast majority, the degree eventually becomes about as useless as toilet paper, more useless in fact, because you can't use it to wipe your ass.

    Are you really that naive to think every person in that 25 percent demographic is qualified for the job they want? And as a pre-emptive reply to your reply of "they can't even find a job!" Starbucks, Walmart, and the fast food industry are always hiring. But these upper-crust libart hipsters think they're above that kind of menial work.

    And I agree, the system is broken, but the overwhelming number of "useless" degree holders have contributed to the problem as well, and about the only thing they're qualified for in this current economic climate are service jobs.

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    Don't need a 100k liberal arts education to the study historical works of literature or get a workshop going with fellow authors.

    And where did I ever say it was in' easy? Bukowski, a person who never spent a minute in a college classroom, wrote himself into becoming a writer, compiling thousands of pages of material before he got a single word published.

    These en led kids today think their degree magically guarantees they'll produce good work or get hired in the industry. When they find out they need more than their diploma, and when the few short stories they wrote that their professor stamped with a gold star get rejected, they throw their hands up and cry about lack of opportunity, which progresses into complaints about "the system," eventually leading to cartoon rebelliousness filled with empty symbolism. For all its good intentions, the Occupy Wall Street movement is largely an exercise in emo angst. Not to mention, misdirected at the wrong ins ution. Washington D.C., where, you know, policy is actually made, would've been the more meaningful place to march.

    Satirical article about the situation, but nonetheless accurate in portraying the mentality of a good majority of the protesters:

    "As unemployment in Freedomland rises to hilarious extremes, filthy, pseudo-intellectual college hipsters concluded that the reason their liberal arts degrees weren't netting them $70,000+ salaried jobs straight out of the state university was because of the zionist one world government and their cronyism bleeding the country dry and oppressing the world, and now was the time to, like, throw off the chains of oppression, man!"

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Occupy_Wall_Street

    And yeah, I got more than a good idea what it takes to write a novel. I started out in a different literary endeavor and it took me 8 years before I was paid for any of my work.

    These kids want recognition now and a thriving career the minute they throw off their hat and gown. And as cold as it might sound, I have little sympathy for a liberal art's major plight. That's an area of study historically reserved for rich kids who were already set, a luxury. Now, you have people thinking they can build careers around a liberal arts degree. For a few, whether in academia or their chosen industry, it happens, but for the vast majority, the degree eventually becomes about as useless as toilet paper, more useless in fact, because you can't use it to wipe your ass.

    Are you really that naive to think every person in that 25 percent demographic is qualified for the job they want? And as a pre-emptive reply to your reply of "they can't even find a job!" Starbucks, Walmart, and the fast food industry are always hiring. But these upper-crust libart hipsters think they're above that kind of menial work.

    And I agree, the system is broken, but the overwhelming number of "useless" degree holders have contributed to the problem as well, and about the only thing they're qualified for in this current economic climate are service jobs.
    Why is that $100k in loans needing to finish a 4 year degree on anything other than the cost of education?

    And 'overwhelming' number of worthless degrees, anything to substantiate other than self serving satire?

    they do not want instant gratification. Sorry you clearly did not read the article and really seem intent on pigeonholing the entirety of 15-25 year olds.

    Make up about job openings that are not there. As nice as it sounds to act like 7-11 in struggling areas is always hiring that is just not true. Quite the contrary as has been pointed out in the analysis of the jobless rate of that demographic, many of those jobs are being taken by other demographics and pushing out that age group. Historically younger people have taken those jobs. Not now. Check it out the next time you buy a coke at the gas station.

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    Why is that $100k in loans needing to finish a 4 year degree on anything other than the cost of education?

    And 'overwhelming' number of worthless degrees, anything to substantiate other than self serving satire?

    they do not want instant gratification. Sorry you clearly did not read the article and really seem intent on pigeonholing the entirety of 15-25 year olds.

    Make up about job openings that are not there. As nice as it sounds to act like 7-11 in struggling areas is always hiring that is just not true. Quite the contrary as has been pointed out in the analysis of the jobless rate of that demographic, many of those jobs are being taken by other demographics and pushing out that age group. Historically younger people have taken those jobs. Not now. Check it out the next time you buy a coke at the gas station.
    "Between 2008-2018 the projected growth of barista jobs is average with expected job openings estimated at over 400,000."

    http://www.hourlycareers.com/barista...0&q=barista&l=

    And that's just one industry.

    Look, I'm not deluded enough to think these low-paying, menial jobs will solve the problem, but for many of these kids who come from the upper class and have the option of moving back home, a job like this is the first step in getting some real world experience and paying down their debt.

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    Why is that $100k in loans needing to finish a 4 year degree on anything other than the cost of education?

    And 'overwhelming' number of worthless degrees, anything to substantiate other than self serving satire?

    they do not want instant gratification. Sorry you clearly did not read the article and really seem intent on pigeonholing the entirety of 15-25 year olds.

    Make up about job openings that are not there. As nice as it sounds to act like 7-11 in struggling areas is always hiring that is just not true. Quite the contrary as has been pointed out in the analysis of the jobless rate of that demographic, many of those jobs are being taken by other demographics and pushing out that age group. Historically younger people have taken those jobs. Not now. Check it out the next time you buy a coke at the gas station.
    "We could stop issuing degrees in English for 20 years and still have more than enough English majors to go around."

    Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2007/09/2...#ixzz1bVLksEKU

    Oh, and how am I pigeonholing when I clearly delineated the difference between degree holders? From my point-of-view, the engineering grad and the libart grad seem to have two different mentalities.
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    "Between 2008-2018 the projected growth of barista jobs is average with expected job openings estimated at over 400,000."

    http://www.hourlycareers.com/barista...0&q=barista&l=

    And that's just one industry.

    Look, I'm not deluded enough to think these low-paying, menial jobs will solve the problem, but for many of these kids who come from the upper class and have the option of moving back home, a job like this is the first step in getting some real world experience and paying down their debt.
    This report is 3 years old. College graduates have been filling these positions for several years.

    You have described what is happening, bravo. College graduates are taking $16,000 per year jobs to try and not only support themselves (rent, costs of living), pay off their college debt (which bought them a useless piece of paper), and springboard to a career and middle class family.

    Then, when they do get a job and start paying income taxes, a percentage of that will go to social security which they will never be awarded, as well as interest for the national debt which is spiraling out of control.

    I don't think anyone here should be surprised there are upset people with such a deal.

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    This report is 3 years old. College graduates have been filling these positions for several years.

    You have described what is happening, bravo. College graduates are taking $16,000 per year jobs to try and not only support themselves (rent, costs of living), pay off their college debt (which bought them a useless piece of paper), and springboard to a career and middle class family.

    Then, when they do get a job and start paying income taxes, a percentage of that will go to social security which they will never be awarded, as well as interest for the national debt which is spiraling out of control.

    I don't think anyone here should be surprised there are upset people with such a deal.
    Those figures are still relevant since they project job growth to last until 2018.

    While some grads indeed have little options, I believe a majority of them have ways to alleviate their burden, whether that be moving back home, or taking on roommates, all the while adhering to a strict budget that jettisons all luxury.

    I understand where you're coming from, though. Trust me. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" sentimentality spouted by older conservatives can be irritating to listen to, especially when the two generations grew up in different economic climates, but forgive those of us who have a hard time summoning up empathy for a well-to-do middle/upper class kid who is angry that their liberal arts, environment studies, or philosophy degree isn't the license to print money they thought it would be.

    And your point about how the younger generation is going to be grandfathered into paying for the mistakes of the previous generation is precisely why I think the Occupy Wall Street movement should be rerouted to Washington D.C. It was policy that bailed out the bankers and put the country into trillions of debt, but since the movement is primarily composed of lib s who still cling to the idea that Obama is this shining example of liberalism, that's probably not going to happen.

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    If there is a "problem" with the millennial generation, it's their ing parents. I work with one woman who's daughter is 4 years out of college, has her own job and apartment in another city, and is still on their phone plan, and was on their health until she aged out. Another co-worker has a son living at home that is like 26, and won't even LOOK for a ing job, and it's not because he's been turned down...he's NEVER looked. My niece was all put out when she had to give back her family credit card...at 25.

    If you think they seem over-en led, it's because that's the message they've gotten their whole life. Baby Einstein, Montessori, dance lessons, arguing kids grades with teachers... ing helicopter parents.

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    If there is a "problem" with the millennial generation, it's their ing parents. I work with one woman who's daughter is 4 years out of college, has her own job and apartment in another city, and is still on their phone plan, and was on their health until she aged out. Another co-worker has a son living at home that is like 26, and won't even LOOK for a ing job, and it's not because he's been turned down...he's NEVER looked. My niece was all put out when she had to give back her family credit card...at 25.

    If you think they seem over-en led, it's because that's the message they've gotten their whole life. Baby Einstein, Montessori, dance lessons, arguing kids grades with teachers... ing helicopter parents.
    Wow. That's a little harsh. I see no problem with helping your kids as long as they are WORKING towards improving their prospects for total self sufficiency. My daughter didn't do well on her first stab at college (homesick) and did a work sabbatical. She has ALWAYS had a job (or two) and is now 27 and working 36 hours a week and going back to school working on a nursing degree.

    I pay her gas and car insurance and give her a couple hundred a month to supplement her income and help with tuition so she can stay in her own apartment.

    I really don't see anything wrong with that.

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    If there is a "problem" with the millennial generation, it's their ing parents. I work with one woman who's daughter is 4 years out of college, has her own job and apartment in another city, and is still on their phone plan, and was on their health until she aged out. Another co-worker has a son living at home that is like 26, and won't even LOOK for a ing job, and it's not because he's been turned down...he's NEVER looked. My niece was all put out when she had to give back her family credit card...at 25.

    If you think they seem over-en led, it's because that's the message they've gotten their whole life. Baby Einstein, Montessori, dance lessons, arguing kids grades with teachers... ing helicopter parents.
    The phone plan maybe a bit too much (not really though), but I don't see the big deal with letting your kids age of the health plan. Assuming it was through one of the parents' jobs, it costs them next to nothing to keep her on the plan as long as possible, and it's probably a much better plan than whatever her entry level job provided.

    I agree with the other parts though for the most part, but like CC said, if the kid is working to better his or herself through education/other means, giving him/her financial support isn't bad parenting.

    My step sister is an example of parents ing up. Graduated from college (with some kind of cheese degree in writing that won't lead to anything without hard work/luck or additional education), doesn't make ANY effort to get her career in writing started (in spite of the fact she's actually been introduced to people who can get her a job), and lives at home while getting everything paid for as if she's still in high school.
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    Wow. That's a little harsh. I see no problem with helping your kids as long as they are WORKING towards improving their prospects for total self sufficiency. My daughter didn't do well on her first stab at college (homesick) and did a work sabbatical. She has ALWAYS had a job (or two) and is now 27 and working 36 hours a week and going back to school working on a nursing degree.

    I pay her gas and car insurance and give her a couple hundred a month to supplement her income and help with tuition so she can stay in her own apartment.

    I really don't see anything wrong with that.
    She's on attempt #2 for her education, and that's fine. If she's taking classes, subsidizing her is OK, as long as she's showing progress. The two examples I gave were a girl away from home WITH a job and NOT going to school still being subsidized, and a waste of a 26 YO boy doing nothing who needs in the worst way to be kicked out.

    Subsidizing kids gives them an unrealistic perception of the world, like whenever they need help, someone will be there to give it to them. I don't believe that to be true of the world at large, but even if YOU are there for them, you've mentally crippled them by not allowing them to stub their toe or take a fall, and figure things out and pick themselves up.

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    The phone plan maybe a bit too much (not really though), but I don't see the big deal with letting your kids age of the health plan. Assuming it was through one of the parents' jobs, it costs them next to nothing to keep her on the plan as long as possible, and it's probably a much better plan than whatever her entry level job provided.

    I agree with the other parts though for the most part, but like CC said, if the kid is working to better his or herself through education/other means, giving him/her financial support isn't bad parenting.

    My step sister is an example of parents ing up. Graduated from college (with some kind of cheese degree in writing that won't lead to anything without hard work/luck or additional education), doesn't make ANY effort to get her career in writing started (in spite of the fact she's actually been introduced to people who can get her a job), and lives at home while getting everything paid for as if she's still in high school.
    Actually, the difference between employee and employee/child(ren) insurance is considerable.

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    anecdotes about Other Peoples' Kids, etc don't offset the indisputable fact that the Banksters' Great Jobs Depression is a disaster for 18-30 age whites, and unspeakably worse for blacks and browns.
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    Actually, the difference between employee and employee/child(ren) insurance is considerable.
    Not necessarily. My insurance plan has "employee"," employee and spouse", "employee and child", and"employee and family" so it kinda depends on how many kids you have. Also for the phone plan, that just makes sense. 30 dollars to keep them on our they pay 80 dollars to get their own (though I would make them pay their 30).

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    I could've structured that sentence better. It's not their shock that irritates people but the ensuing finger pointing.
    And I'd repeat my question, albeit with a few modifications.

    Why though?

    I have a problem with the notion that someone in their late teens or early twenties should have a firm grasp on the ways of the world. They have little to no life experience so it should not come as a surprise that finger pointing ensues once the paradigm they've lived in shatters. Their predicament is a learning experience free of charge (obviously not including the debt incurred), hopefully one which which will pay dividends later on in life.
    It's the same dance, just a different tune. By and large, the anti Wall street crowd can be characterized with a "I forgot where I came from" slogan. One could add a gross underappreciation of the situation into the mix as well if affluence was the paradigm in which their rearing took place. Everyone has been ignorant of the real world at one point or another. It's time for the "53%-ers" to acknowledge that inconvenient truth.

    Understand, I'm not exonerating the Wall Streeters. I'm simply attempting to give proper context to their gripe. It's not so as the motivations behind their activities are baseless. I think a bit more tolerance is in order.

    I understand where you're coming from, though. Trust me. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" sentimentality spouted by older conservatives can be irritating to listen to, especially when the two generations grew up in different economic climates, but forgive those of us who have a hard time summoning up empathy for a well-to-do middle/upper class kid who is angry that their liberal arts, environment studies, or philosophy degree isn't the license to print money they thought it would be.
    I'd argue:

    1) That cohort is not representative of this group as a whole. I may be wrong, but I doubt it (Charles Barkey, T-Mobile 2010)

    2) Perhaps one should consider the first point and develop some empathy towards the cohorts which offer a better representation of this movement.
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    forgive those of us who have a hard time summoning up empathy for a well-to-do middle/upper class kid who is angry that their liberal arts, environment studies, or philosophy degree isn't the license to print money they thought it would be.
    Those degrees never led to careers even when the economy was booming, so I don't know why everyone keeps talking about them.

    The current scenario is such that nearly every single undergrad degree does not lead to a career, even engineering and sciences. Does someone want to quote that five or six times for this page?

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