Herman Cain on Abortion

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Is everyone forgetting that abortion is not the only method? What about things like "The Morning After Pill." This could apply for rape. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this pill prevents the conception.

this is classic bible thumping bull . When a woman is raped, the first thing that pops into her head isn't, "Oh, I better go get the morning after pill!" Expecting a woman to remember to take the morning after pill after she's raped as the only way to prevent having a baby is cold hearted bull anyone who seriously believed in religion wouldn't want.

[101A]

There is NO WAY from that video to understand what Herman Cain is saying his position, as president, on abortion would be.

Wait, I think I might get it - seriously.

Is he saying, "It is not the governments choice to decide WHAT is the proper cir stances for abortion - abortion should be illegal NO MATTER WHAT?"

Every time he is asked whether a woman could get an abortion is was with a caveat "In case of Rape" or "In case of incest" - and HIS point is - the govt. doesn't get to make exceptions; no one gets to make exceptions - it is ALWAYS wrong, and should ALWAYS be illegal; LIFE is sacred.

It is so odd to hear this (most intellectually honest of postions) that we don't recognize it when we see it.

If I'm wrong in my analysis; please point it out.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

it's not interesting point at all. people on the right see it as an act of murder, therefore it should be stopped. the less government part and this are apples and oranges.

i don't believe people have a right to arbitrarily set a timetable for when life begins. i don't know when life begins. nobody does. my view then is why allow something which i don't know the consequences of. i dont see that as being an extemist view at all. in fact i didn't know it was until i started paying attention to politics. but it's just one of those things the mainstream media tries to indoctrinate the people to believe. i think there are more pro-lifers than meets the eye, they just don't want to be shunned by their liberal circle

God you are such a in embarrassment to Jews.

[101A]

God you are such a in embarrassment to Jews.

God you're a bigot.

[admiralsnackbar]

this is classic bible thumping bull . When a woman is raped, the first thing that pops into her head isn't, "Oh, I better go get the morning after pill!" Expecting a woman to remember to take the morning after pill after she's raped as the only way to prevent having a baby is cold hearted bull anyone who seriously believed in religion wouldn't want.

Compounded by the fact that the religious right has made it dreadfully difficult to get a hold of a morning-after pill.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God you're a bigot.

I am Jewish and the reason I don't practice anymore is because of Jewish evangelicals like mingus.

He's probably a huge Joe Lieber fan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Compounded by the fact that the religious right has made it dreadfully difficult to get a hold of a morning-after pill.

True. WC acting like the religious right has always supported the morning after pill as a means of contraception is more bull .

[boutons_deux]

"lets not act like Republicans were the only ones who wanted to invaded Iraq."

Let's not make the "false equivalence" mistake of blaming the Dems and Repugs for the Iraq war, when it was the Repugs who lied the country into Iraq. My bet is that had dubya lost 2000 like was his due, Gore would not have invaded Iraq.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There is NO WAY from that video to understand what Herman Cain is saying his position, as president, on abortion would be.

Wait, I think I might get it - seriously.

Is he saying, "It is not the governments choice to decide WHAT is the proper cir stances for abortion - abortion should be illegal NO MATTER WHAT?"

Every time he is asked whether a woman could get an abortion is was with a caveat "In case of Rape" or "In case of incest" - and HIS point is - the govt. doesn't get to make exceptions; no one gets to make exceptions - it is ALWAYS wrong, and should ALWAYS be illegal; LIFE is sacred.

It is so odd to hear this (most intellectually honest of postions) that we don't recognize it when we see it.

If I'm wrong in my analysis; please point it out.

He specifically said it should be a woman's choice after she's raped which contradicts the entire pro-life belief system. To act like he didn't contradict himself is asinine.

[101A]

I am Jewish and the reason I don't practice anymore is because of Jewish evangelicals like mingus.

He's probably a huge Joe Lieber fan.

Got it.

Probably makes you even more of a bigot, however.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Got it.

Probably makes you even more of a bigot, however.

I'm OK with that.

Being a bigot is better than being someone who wants to restrict the rights of rape victims

[101A]

He specifically said it should be a woman's choice after she's raped which contradicts the entire pro-life belief system. To act like he didn't contradict himself is asinine.

Thanks, didn't re-watch; was so convinced of my proper (wishful) interpretation.

You can re-read my post pre-epiphany (the first sentence only).

[101A]

I'm OK with that.

Being a bigot is better than being someone who wants to restrict the rights of rape victims

Society restricts people of their rights all the time. I, for instance, am not allowed to kill my children - my right to do that is restricted.

As horrible as that analogy is at first blush, if one considers the life of the fetus as sacred human life; NO person has the "right" to end that life - regardless of how that life came to be.

But that's where I bail on this thread; abortion has been done on this board.

A lot.

[admiralsnackbar]

Got it.

Probably makes you even more of a bigot, however.

As soon as a person has faith in a doctrine, that means they're accepting some species of dogma as self-evident. This means that in addition to accepting what it means to be a [x doctrine here], you necessarily also know what ISN'T [x doctrine]. Eye, meet log, etc.

[hater]

yup this is why IMO the GOP is a big hypocritical party.

"We don't want goverment telling us what to do. Make abortion illegal."

[admiralsnackbar]

yup this is why IMO the GOP is a big hypocritical party.

"We don't want goverment telling us what to do. Make abortion illegal."

That Southern strategy has made for some strange bedfellows, hasn't it?

[101A]

yup this is why IMO the GOP is a big hypocritical party.

"We don't want goverment telling us what to do. Make abortion illegal."

Non-sequitor.

That is why Democrats are hypocritical, they claim to support the rights of the weak over the powerful, but then won't support the most fundamental right of the weakest among us - the unborn fetus; they allow their murder - even vehemently supporting people's RIGHT to murder them!

You see it's not about wanting govt. in or out of this debate; it's about what a person believes a fetus is; human life worth protecting, or, simply, potential human life. Again, if one believes it is Human life, then that person is compelled to protect that life. There is no common ground to be found - there is no compromise.

I understand that you don't believe that that is Human life, and I respect the fact that you want to protect a woman's right to do with her body what she wants - and that the government should not be involved. I get it. You will never consider a fetus a life worth protecting - I know. However, your condescending statement regarding people who hold an opposing view is not productive, and demonstrates a closed mind, when I'm sure you purport to be an "open minded liberal".

[hater]

Non-sequitor.

That is why Democrats are hypocritical, they claim to support the rights of the weak over the powerful, but then won't support the most fundamental right of the weakest among us - the unborn fetus; they allow their murder - even vehemently supporting people's RIGHT to murder them!

You see it's not about wanting govt. in or out of this debate; it's about what a person believes a fetus is; human life worth protecting, or, simply, potential human life. Again, if one believes it is Human life, then that person is compelled to protect that life. There is no common ground to be found - there is no compromise.

I understand that you don't believe that that is Human life, and I respect the fact that you want to protect a woman's right to do with her body what she wants - and that the government should not be involved. I get it. You will never consider a fetus a life worth protecting - I know. However, your condescending statement regarding people who hold an opposing view is not productive, and demonstrates a closed mind, when I'm sure you purport to be an "open minded liberal".

is a fetus an american citizen under the cons ution? Nope

link to a fetus rights under the cons ution?

sorry. Abortion is a social issue. GOP forcing ppl is socialism at its finest. Thus my call of hypocrisy

[101A]

is a fetus an american citizen under the cons ution? Nope

link to a fetus rights under the cons ution?

sorry. Abortion is a social issue. GOP forcing ppl is socialism at its finest. Thus my call of hypocrisy

Abortion being "Socialism"?

I am stopping here.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

If you don't understand why I find that so ridiculous, and you so profoundly ignorant, look up definitions of ECONOMIC systems.

[hater]

Try to keep up. If GOPers call Obamacare socialism, then by that logic making abortion illegal = socialism. yet they support it

[baseline bum]

What are we discussing abortion for? This thread is to make fun of the ridiculous crap the new GOP hope is spewing.

[admiralsnackbar]

What are we discussing abortion for? This thread is to make fun of the ridiculous crap the new GOP hope is spewing.

BB, on point.

[Soul_Patch]

Is everyone forgetting that abortion is not the only method? What about things like "The Morning After Pill." This could apply for rape. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this pill prevents the conception.

I think he specifically said that "life begins at conception"

So wouldn't the morning after, by definition, be after conception and an abortion?

[mingus]

Non-sequitor.

That is why Democrats are hypocritical, they claim to support the rights of the weak over the powerful, but then won't support the most fundamental right of the weakest among us - the unborn fetus; they allow their murder - even vehemently supporting people's RIGHT to murder them!

You see it's not about wanting govt. in or out of this debate; it's about what a person believes a fetus is; human life worth protecting, or, simply, potential human life. Again, if one believes it is Human life, then that person is compelled to protect that life. There is no common ground to be found - there is no compromise.

I understand that you don't believe that that is Human life, and I respect the fact that you want to protect a woman's right to do with her body what she wants - and that the government should not be involved. I get it. You will never consider a fetus a life worth protecting - I know. However, your condescending statement regarding people who hold an opposing view is not productive, and demonstrates a closed mind, when I'm sure you purport to be an "open minded liberal".

certaintly isn't the first time a liberal has personally derided me for conservative position. that's what liberals do best though, they take it to a whole 'nother personal level. which somewhat speaks to one of my original points, which is that i believe there's more plurality on this issue among liberals than meets the eye. a lot of them just don't have the balls to say anything because of punks like Dok.

[mingus]

I think he specifically said that "life begins at conception"

So wouldn't the morning after, by definition, be after conception and an abortion?

correct me if i'm wrong but conception is fertilization is it not? fertilization happens typically around 36 hours after intercourse. so there's plenty of time for a rape vicitm to get the morning after pill.