Herman Cain on Abortion

[ElNono]

i haven't dodged the question. if you read my previous posts you'd find out my rationale that relates to the question you asked.

I would gather that the answer is "No"?

[mingus]

i've given my rationale for my position on it already.

[boutons_deux]

Are you ing kidding me, jackoff? The ability to understand and communicate complex ideas is the defining trait of humanity.

other large mammals have quite complex communications (and very probably "understanding").

What makes us human is our brain and nervous system.

If the brain isn't developed to a certain level in fetus, it's sub-human.

[Cry Havoc]

other large mammals have quite complex communications (and very probably "understanding").

What makes us human is our brain and nervous system.

So wait, other species have complex communications, but they don't have brains or nervous systems?

[baseline bum]

You can't divorce the human brain and the language instinct; the language instinct is precisely what makes the human brain so different. If other animals had the universal grammar they'd have the capacity for abstract thinking, but as far as I know it has never been demonstrated in anything but a couple of isolated cases with dogs.

[ElNono]

i've given my rationale for my position on it already.

I was asking for an answer to the question. I wouldn't want to guess wrong.
Strangest things have happened in this forum.

[ElNono]

UCA! VRWC!!!! GFY!! UCA! UCA! UCA!

You can't divorce the human brain and the language instinct; the language instinct is precisely what makes the human brain so different. If other animals had the universal grammar they'd have the capacity for abstract thinking, but as far as I know it has never been demonstrated in anything but a couple of isolated cases with dogs.

I guess in some rare cases you can actually divorce them...

[baseline bum]

^

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They need to ask better questions or he will just dodge like that.

"Would any particular stance on abortion be a criteria for your nomination on a supreme court justice?"

[admiralsnackbar]

other large mammals have quite complex communications (and very probably "understanding").

What makes us human is our brain and nervous system.

If the brain isn't developed to a certain level in fetus, it's sub-human.

Boutons hath spoken and law hath been wrought!

If it were only so easy

[Agloco]

He doesn't need to respect , because it's very likely it isn't really his opinion. He's merely spreading the word from an imaginary being residing in his head.

Now this conversation should REALLY turn interesting

The voices probably confused Hermann as well.

LOL 9-9-9 (nein, nein, nein) to Abortion.

[DMC]

He's straddling the fence. He's responding as if they are asking for his beliefs, not for how he would govern. If you cannot govern based on your beliefs, what are you but a puppet?

He's worthless.

[admiralsnackbar]

LOL 9-9-9 (nein, nein, nein) to Abortion.

[101A]

That's one way of looking at it, I guess. By property confiscation I assume you mean taxes?

Isn't it possible that welfare isn't so much an altruistic moral position but a pragmatic investment in a stronger country in the same way public education is? If people can't go to school because they need to feed themselves, they aren't necessarily going to become captains of industry or even mediocre, semi-educated citizens. Obviously the gulf between the ideal and the reality is wide, but it doesn't strike me as a inescapably moral position.

Sure, it COULD be, but that is 1) not how it is sold and (2) testable; and I have a strong feeling we would find that the welfare state, in fact, discourages and reduces productivity in society as a whole, and, even further (3) has particularly, presumably unintentional, measurable, immoral results (look at illegitimacy rates since "The Great Society" began).

[Winehole23]

illegitimacy rates since "The Great Society"

1970, 1975, 1980-2008

[JoeChalupa]

I'm pro-life, pro-choice.

[101A]

1970, 1975, 1980-2008

Thanks.

[101A]

I'm pro-life, pro-choice.

I'm pretty sure Cain's your man.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm pretty sure Cain's your man.

Nope, not even close.

[admiralsnackbar]

Sure, it COULD be, but that is 1) not how it is sold and (2) testable; and I have a strong feeling we would find that the welfare state, in fact, discourages and reduces productivity in society as a whole, and, even further (3) has particularly, presumably unintentional, measurable, immoral results (look at illegitimacy rates since "The Great Society" began).

How things are sold and why they are sold are entirely different things. There's a reason we use propaganda at wartime, and sell lottery tickets with pictures of dumpsterfulls of cash -- the reality isn't nearly so compelling. But anyway, if "testable" is your condition for having this conversation, then I recommend we both bow out

[101A]

How things are sold and why they are sold are entirely different things. There's a reason we use propaganda at wartime, and sell lottery tickets with pictures of dumpsterfulls of cash -- the reality isn't nearly so compelling. But anyway, if "testable" is your condition for having this conversation, then I recommend we both bow out

"Testable" wasn't really the point - just a means of explanation. The primary point is that welfare programs, by and large, are sold on their moral grounds; appeal to people's humanity, of doing what is right for their fellow citizen. "I don't want to live in a country where we allow the weakest among us to go hungry", or the like, is something we have all heard politicians say....if we don't pass the jobs bill, there will be more Rapes and Murders - another example (although cold also work on the other side of the ledger, tbh).

But no need to digress further; I simply find it odd that people argue about legislating about certain forms of morality; when legislating based on morality is, frankly, both self-evident and ubiquitous.