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Whatever improves our chances and keeps a level playing field is what I want to see.
I want to see a hard cap and revenue sharing, then we will see which GMs and coaches actually do their jobs.
If it works for the NFL, it can work for the NBA.
Whatever improves our chances and keeps a level playing field is what I want to see.
Per Aldridge: People were really optimistic earlier today about them getting close, but that has definitely been dialed back based on the most recent reports from today's meetings.
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Guess we gotta take the good with the bad. At least sides are still talking. This whole "standoff and see who blinks first" crap is driving me nuts. There is absolutely no reason for these guys not to be meeting nearly every day to get this thing solved if they have to.WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA, NBPA sources still believe if they can close gaps and agree on system issues -- tax, exceptions, etc., -- BRI will fall into place.
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
At 12+ hrs, this is 2nd-longest session of lockout. BTW, thanks to my west coast/Australia peeps who are still up. #whereuatantarctica
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
After 12 hours of labor talks, NBA and NBPA are making progress on system issues, including luxury tax, three sources with knowledge tell Y!
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Labor meeting still going, but league official says he expects that they'll shut it down for the night soon.
14 minutes agodaldridgetnt David Aldridge
Coming up on 14 hours today/tonight. Progress "still slow," says source. But, progress. On NBA.com: on.nba.com/rsCyS8
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David Aldridge
We're just about at 15 hours of negotiations between the NBA and the players' union, but guessing if major progress is happening is crazy.
Fisher: Meeting again Thursday at 2 p.m..."there was some progress made on some of our system issues..."
Put this in reverse order just to save from having to read it bottom to top.
Nothing golden, but at least it's not still "both sides are far apart on all issues".46 minutes ago
Meeting is over.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
46 minutes ago
Stay tuned.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
43 minutes ago
Sending 6 hot thermoses of hot Bull Shot (beef boullion or bovril, Worcestershire, and vodka) to the lockout reporters to clear things out.
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
36 minutes ago
NBA preparing to start a news conference soon.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
34 minutes ago
Players talking first....
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
31 minutes ago
Billy Hunter, Derek Fisher and Maurice Evans at podium.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
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Fisher: Meeting again Thursday at 2 p.m..."there was some progress made on some of our system issues..."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
30 minutes ago
Union first...Derek Fisher: we were able to work through a number of issues w/regard to system...some progress made...back at 2 Thursday
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
29 minutes ago
Fisher: withholding specifics on progress...until we can further define what system looks like we can't get specific
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
28 minutes ago
Hunter: the sides didn't discuss BRI, just system issues.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
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Billy Hunter: if there was any hope of trying to capture lost games, we had to get back in and talk..so we parked BRI & talked system
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
26 minutes ago
Hunter: "if deal can be achieved by Sunday, Monday...." 82 game schedule still possible.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
26 minutes ago
Hunter says 82 games still possible. Fisher says no promises of full sked if deal is reached in next 4-5 games.
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
25 minutes ago
Fisher: "slim, but still possible" on 82 game schedule.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
25 minutes ago
When was the last time the NBA PA spoke first following a negotiation?
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
24 minutes ago
Fisher: lux tax/rates big part of discussion today.
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
23 minutes ago
Hunter: "depending about how progress is made tomorrow, we may be in position to talk about specifics."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
23 minutes ago
Hunter: depending on progress Thu union may be ready to talk specifics on tax progress...
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
22 minutes ago
And vice-versa. RT @deepsixer3: Fisher: Sometimes it's harder to address system issues when they don't know the BRI split.
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
22 minutes ago
Same groups tomorrow, other than union economist Kevin Murphy (family)
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
21 minutes ago
Fisher: to put a gauge on what today's progress means is "a bit of a stretch"
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
20 minutes ago
RT @normmacdonald: You are the best comedian in the world and I love you, Patrice. Pray hard, everybody.
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
18 minutes ago
Stern: "solid day of negotiations...."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
18 minutes ago
Let @FisolaNYDN answer that. RT @freemaneric: What would you do if you went into a bathroom and saw a reporter taking a shower in the sink?
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
17 minutes ago
League presser starting...Stern: LRC conference call precedes meeting w/union
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
16 minutes ago
Stern: won't go into specifics on progress, in part, b/c sides can change negotiating positions
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
16 minutes ago
Stern: we're going to knock ourselves out to make as many games as possible
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
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Stern: no specific date to preserve 82, "but we've got to do it soon"
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
14 minutes ago
RT @freemaneric: Really heartening to see no one disclosing terms discussed. Not bc they're closer to deal. Because they're being adults.
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
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Stern: it was what we could bang out in 15 hours..I can't describe it other than it's better than not making any progress
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
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Stern: it's sad that we missed two weeks. We're trying to apply a tourniquet and go forward
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
11 minutes ago
RT @dannychau: THERE IS NO BEAUTY.
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
11 minutes ago
Stern: "we will turn to the (revenue) split when we're done with the system..."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
10 minutes ago
Stern: likely will stick with system issues tomorrow
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
9 minutes ago
Stern on last Thursday....: "I leave these guys alone for a little bit of time and all breaks loose."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
8 minutes ago
Silver: "No question we made progress on some significant issues..."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
8 minutes ago
Adam Silver: today was a much better day than last Thursday, but a lot of major issues left to resolve Thursday
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
7 minutes ago
Stern; today very arduous, difficult and productive. Thurs more arduous and difficult; hopefully as productive
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
6 minutes ago
David Stern's zen koans are the worst zen koans. RT @tribjazz: Stern: "There's no deal on anything unless there's a deal on everything."
KDonhoops Kelly Dwyer
5 minutes ago
Despite NBA, NBPA downplaying expectations, "significant progress" has been made toward agreement on system issues, sources tell Y! Sports.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
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Says one source briefed on talks: "They need (Thursday) to punch it over end-line."
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
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A couple of articles summarizing yesterday's negotiations:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...r_talks_102711
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...38893/32957394
It looks like it was a positive day but even if they agreed on the system, the BRI split will remain an issue.
Something that sucks to save a 82 games season is that the NBA can't extend his season a lot this year. There will have the Olympic qualifying tournament that start on July 2nd, which means that the last NBA game must be played the 27th or 28th June. They really need to hurry up the process.
Why should that matter? Do they have to finish before the Olympic qualifying tournament starts?
The NBA has agreements with FIBA regarding the availability of players for certain FIBA sanctioned events. The Olympic qualifying tournament is certainly included among those.
It has to be encouraging that the two sides went back to the table so soon after such an acrimonious end to last week's meeting. The NBA dropped the 50/50 precondition and both sides kept their hardliners away from the meeting.
One can imagine that both sides can at least see middle points on the various system issues, with the luxury tax being the toughest point on which to reach a compromise. If they can work through those issues, I can definitely see a relatively quick agreement on BRI at something like 51-49 for the players.
Hunter and Stern will have to sell the agreement to their hard line elements, a process that will be made easier if they can play all 82 games and make 400+ million dollars reappear.
Does this mean they could play the first round of the playoffs every other day and get it done in two weeks? That would save 1-2 weeks right there.
2011:
Last day of regular season: April 13
Game 6 of Final: June 12
60 days from end of season to Game 6
1999:
Last day of regular season: May 5
Game 5 of Finals: June 25
51 days from end of of season to Game 6.
So, using 1999 as a model, it is possible to recover games by extending the end date of the regular season and by compressing the playoff schedule. Plus they get an extra day with 2012 being a Leap Year!
I'd rather them get a deal done and not cram games. I'd rather just get a good deal in place quickly and keep the schedule on track normally however many games are lost. Problem is the financial ramifications of that.
I'm not sure I want a crammed 82 game season, tbh. Injuries, exhaustion. Make it a 70 game season, then next season you go back to normal. Obviously, with $$$ in the middle, not going to happen if they can avoid it.
Appreciate the tl;dnr el nono
Sorry, just woke up and haven't had my coffee yetAppreciate the tl;dnr el nono
I think they should extend the season through the first week or two of July.
In 1999, first round were played in 5 games. They can do that again to save some days but it wouldn't then be a true full season.
If they keep the current format, a team can play up to 28 playoffs games. 28 playoffs games without back to back means 55 days. You must add to that 1 or 2 days for TV scheduling and a 2 days between after the end of the regular season. IMO, the last day possible for a regular season played is April 30th.
A regular season (82 games + ASG), is played in 170 days. Between December 1st and April 30th, there are 152 days. Compressing the RS by 18 days is a lot but it's doable (in 1999, they played 50 games in 90 days). It would be more comfortable to have a RS starting around the 21st/23rd November, which would mean 160/162 days to play the RS.
Starting the RS around the 21st/23rd November can be done if they reach an agreement soon and if they don't take a lot of time to write the new CBA and ratify it.
get rid of the ASG weekend.... it's worthless anyway.
Stephen A. Smith believes there will be a deal done by the end of the week, and the only think standing in the way is the revenue split.
Listen to this man!
Not a bad idea of getting rid of the ASG weekend.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Signs of labor optimism: Team execs cancelling scouting trips, preparing for free agency. Agents quietly reaching out to teams on players.
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This could be good but what happens if things fall through and I fall from this height.
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