Resuming CBA talks

[mavsfan1000]

Season is lost imo.

[Buddy Holly]

We can't even sell out the AT&T Center with a washed up Duncan, Manu and Tony these days.

But the Toros will really light up the place

Just stop. My brain hurts from reading your nonsense.

[spurs10]

BTW, none of these "replacement players" can be signed long term. Lockout forbids that. They can only be temp players, hired game to game. Much like what happened with refs a few years ago.

Sorry I missed all your logical responses before I wrote mine.....

[Mel_13]

I suggest you just stop and quit arguing about a subject you have very little actual knowledge about.

[Buddy Holly]

Who do you think is going to pay to see any scab basketball players. No one is the correct answer. Do you actually ever watch people play basketball? If your logic is correct then just call the Toros the Spurs and watch the amount of people that will pay $100 to see them play. People will not pay to see a team with just anybody playing. How many people want to see a band called the Stones that doesn't have Keith and Mick in it?

Reading comprehension.

[Buddy Holly]

What??????. What replacement players would these be? NBDL players? Are you kidding yourself? Who's going to pay to go watch some scrubs? You and who else?

Read the post more carefully next time.

[Buddy Holly]

We can't even sell out the AT&T Center with a washed up Duncan, Manu and Tony these days.

And the Celtics couldn't sell out with Garnett, Allen and Pierce in a top 8 market the year they went to the finals in 2010. Your point?

[ElNono]

That was FIBA that declared teams must offer an opt-out clause not the NBA.

Nope. It was an agreement between FIBA, the NBA and the union.

FIBA announced Friday it would clear NBA players under contract to play in its leagues during the work stoppage, provided the deals they sign come with opt-out clauses.

In a ruling that paves the way for players to earn a paycheck, FIBA agreed with NBA and players' association officials that players are free to sign anywhere but do so at their own risk of injury.


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And most players want the opt-out clause because they want to return to the NBA if it comes back this season.

No doubt. Although some free agents didn't. See: Kenyon Martin.

No, they're contracts aren''t null and void, but during the lockout they are not enforceable.

I'm glad you finally agree that players under contract are still under contract.

VERY LITTLE VALUE IN COMPARISON TO THEIR VALUE INSIDE THE NBA BUBBLE.

It's that simple.

That we agree with. That said, star players would still get a good share. They're who make the league.

A player making 4-5 million a year in the NBA isn't going to make anywhere near that money outside the NBA.

But that's besides the point. What makes the NBA isn't the 4-5 million a year players. It's the super stars.

What?

What makes the NBA the NBA is that they have the best players in the world. Do you need me to spell it out for you?

Ohmigod man. If you think it's that simple and easy...

Simple and easy? No. But you're truly delusional if you think somebody like Cuban is just simply going to walk away from Dirk, or Dolan from Amare+Carmelo, or Buss from Kobe + Pau, or Arison from Lebron+Wade.

Those are extreme money makers for them. And under an actual non-CBA, free market system, a lot of those guys will be worth a lot more dough.

I suggest you just stop and quit arguing about a subject you have very little actual knowledge about.

What part you don't understand, so I can lecture you a bit? Pre-1998 CBA, thanks to the Bird rule, among other things, max salary contracts kept on growing. Which was the main reason for the lockout. Once max contracts were capped, and seeing that the BRI is a fixed size of the pie, but the pie itself kept on growing, capping the top means the bottom gets more money.

There's obviously other factors, like rookie scale or minimum contracts based on years in the league, but this is simple math really.

[ElNono]

Just stop. My brain hurts from reading your nonsense.

"players can sign anywhere", but FIBA, the NBA and the union have to approve first
nonsense
backpedaling full speed

[ElNono]

Read the post more carefully next time.

And a NBA with replacement players would be a uva lot more successful than NBPA players joining a new league.

What part did I miss?

nonsense

[ElNono]

And the Celtics couldn't sell out with Garnett, Allen and Pierce in a top 8 market the year they went to the finals in 2010. Your point?

Exactly. Tell me how do you combine that with this asinine comment:

And a NBA with replacement players would be a uva lot more successful than NBPA players joining a new league.

nonsense

[Buddy Holly]

"players can sign anywhere", but FIBA, the NBA and the union have to approve first
nonsense
backpedaling full speed

They can sign anywhere. Well, that was a bit of a generalized comment. They can sign anywhere that would allow them.

What part of "their contract" isn't enforceable" during the lockout is hard to understand.

The NBA and NBPA knew overseas would be an option for the players so they along with FIBA arranged it so that any NBPA player could sign with a FIBA team and have an opt-out clause. It's not an arrangement that is required. Hence China refusing to.

, George Hill played a game with the local ABA team. The Texas Fuel or something. He didn't sign a contract but he played a game for their team.

Backpedaling? lol Ok....

[ElNono]

If a player under NBA contract agrees to a deal in a FIBA-affiliated league, he first must be cleared to go by the NBA. The league will allow partial clearance, meaning it must be guaranteed the player returns to his NBA team once a new collective bargaining agreement is reached. FIBA will then give its approval once the player has signed a declaration stating he will do so.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/feed...#ixzz1d0CKdqLx

[Buddy Holly]

What part did I miss?

nonsense

What I said was basically a ty NBA with replacement players would, even so, be more successful than a new start up league filled with some of the current NBPA players.

You someone interpreting that as me saying an "NBA with scabs would be more successful than an NBA with current NBPA players." is why I asked you to re-read it more carefully.

The NBA's success isn't defined solely by its players. Nor is the success defined by its owners, but only one of those two put their money into it allowing it to run and survive as a league.

The NBA's true success comes from its years of branding and becoming global sports icon. , even the NFL isn't a global league. The NBA is.

[Buddy Holly]

Exactly. Tell me how do you combine that with this asinine comment:



nonsense

Maybe by now you understand what that comment meant.

[ElNono]

They can sign anywhere. Well, that was a bit of a generalized comment. They can sign anywhere that would allow them.

Backpedaling? lol Ok....

What part of "their contract" isn't enforceable" during the lockout is hard to understand.

The NBA and NBPA knew overseas would be an option for the players so they along with FIBA arranged it so that any NBPA player could sign with a FIBA team and have an opt-out clause. It's not an arrangement that is required. Hence China refusing to.

Nope. FIBA had to be involved because it's their leagues. The Chinese by refusing to enable opt-out contracts basically ruled themselves out from having non-free agent NBA players. As stated above, any player with a current NBA contracts needs clearance from the NBA to sign any contract overseas, and said contract needs to have an opt-out clause.

, George Hill played a game with the local ABA team. The Texas Fuel or something. He didn't sign a contract but he played a game for their team.

Well, that's the point. Players play in summer leagues and exhibition games every summer. As long as there isn't a contract, they're free to do whatever their contracts allow them to do.

[ElNono]

What I said was basically a ty NBA with replacement players would, even so, be more successful than a new start up league filled with some of the current NBPA players.

You someone interpreting that as me saying an "NBA with scabs would be more successful than an NBA with current NBPA players." is why I asked you to re-read it more carefully.

Nope. I read you correctly. And I think you're out of your mind.

Let me see... Should I pay $100 to watch Smith, Taylor and Jujuan Charlotte from the NBDL under the NBA label, or pay $100 to watch KG, Kobe and Manu under the ABA label?

What you're saying makes absolutely zero sense.

[Buddy Holly]

Nope. FIBA had to be involved because it's their leagues. The Chinese by refusing to enable opt-out contracts basically ruled themselves out from having non-free agent NBA players. As stated above, any player with a current NBA contracts needs clearance from the NBA to sign any contract overseas, and said contract needs to have an opt-out clause.

Show me the literature that states what you underlined. Thanks.

[ElNono]

Show me the literature that states what you underlined. Thanks.

From nba.com. Don't know how much more official you want it to be:

If a player under NBA contract agrees to a deal in a FIBA-affiliated league, he first must be cleared to go by the NBA. The league will allow partial clearance, meaning it must be guaranteed the player returns to his NBA team once a new collective bargaining agreement is reached. FIBA will then give its approval once the player has signed a declaration stating he will do so.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/07/29/F...nce/index.html

[Buddy Holly]

Nope. I read you correctly. And I think you're out of your mind.

Let me see... Should I pay $100 to watch Smith, Taylor and Jujuan Charlotte from the NBDL under the NBA label, or pay $100 to watch KG, Kobe and Manu under the ABA label?

What you're saying makes absolutely zero sense.

LOL at your price inflation.

Neither league would demand those prices.

And what arenas are these ABA superstars playing in that would demand such outrageous pricing. l

Come on man. Come on.

[Buddy Holly]

From nba.com. Don't know how much more official you want it to be:

If a player under NBA contract agrees to a deal in a FIBA-affiliated league, he first must be cleared to go by the NBA. The league will allow partial clearance, meaning it must be guaranteed the player returns to his NBA team once a new collective bargaining agreement is reached. FIBA will then give its approval once the player has signed a declaration stating he will do so.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/07/29/F...nce/index.html

I stand corrected. Thanks.

[ElNono]

LOL at your price inflation.

Neither league would demand those prices.

And what arenas are these ABA superstars playing in that would demand such outrageous pricing. lol

Come on man. Come on.

$100 bucks is inflation???? You haven't gone to a game in a while, have you?

[ElNono]

I normally get fairly good seats, and they don't come under $250/per, tbh...

And those are not even courtside...

[ElNono]

Who do you think will get the better TV deal?

Smith, Taylor and Jujuan Charlotte from the NBDL under the NBA label, or KG, Kobe and Manu under the ABA label?

[Buddy Holly]

$100 bucks is inflation???? You haven't gone to a game in a while, have you?

100 dollars for a current NBA product would not be the same 100 dollars for an NBA with completely new talent across the board nor the same 100 dollars for a new startup league that wouldn't have access to NBA quality arenas in NBA cities nor national tv exposure the likes the NBA would have.