The NBA which already has a TV deal and the national and global branding already established and ingrained.
Seriously, come on. And please stop touting three players at the tail ends of their careers as the selling point for this new league you're creating.
The top NBA players have had multiple exhibitions and not a single one was covered by any national tv channel. If they're names and talent are so lucrative, why's that?
tbqh, I expect the NBA to fail so badly that at some point they would be absorbed by the ABA. Some college arenas are good enough to make a good chunk of change. And there's no doubt in my mind who would get the TV deals.
Fact is there isn't a lack of owners out there. Teams like NJ, Detroit all have new owners now. Even MJ recently with the Bobcats. It's still a great product and there's people out there with money that want to get in the game.
You can't be serious. TWC is voiding that deal with the Lakers tomorrow if there's no star players. They ain't dumb. They can't sell advertisement to a non-audience. They would never make that money back.
Okay. I'll go with Rose, Durant and Lebron. It doesn't matter. You're still in the same star-studded boat.
For a number of reasons, including said sport TV channels not wanting to piss off the NBA, seeing an agreement could come at any time.
But you're kidding yourself that allegiances wouldn't switch if there's a long-term superior product out there.
So the ABA is going to share dates with college teams? WTF?! Is this league of yours playing in the summer and fall?
And yes, the ABA with its name brand and global presence is going to swallow up the NBA.
Sorry, I use the lol smiley a lot with you but that's because a lot of what you say is LOL worthy.
They bought into the NBA not the players.Fact is there isn't a lack of owners out there. Teams like NJ, Detroit all have new owners now. Even MJ recently with the Bobcats. It's still a great product and there's people out there with money that want to get in the game.
P.S.
Being overpaid doesn't make you the best talent the world has to offer.
There's so much talent not in the NBA that the NBA wouldn't be full of in the long run.
Do you think college arenas only schedule college basketball games?
What do you think the NBA brand is worth without it's star players? This is from a league that worked hard in marketing individual players over teams.And yes, the ABA with its name brand and global presence is going to swallow up the NBA.
I just want to get a sense how far the delusion goes.
They certainly didn't buy into temp player talent. Unless you think they did.They bought into the NBA not the players.
Star players aren't overpaid. As a matter of fact, they're arguably underpaid.
You can go watch the talent that didn't quite make it in the NBA... it's called the NBDL. What do their TV deal looks like?
Firstly, that's a regional deal not national. And second, no doubt the contracts would be renegotiated for less if the NBA suddenly had new players across the board.
Yeah and I'm sure you'll pay 100 dollars to see them play in a dingy poorly lit convention hall. Have at it!Okay. I'll go with Rose, Durant and Lebron. It doesn't matter. You're still in the same star-studded boat.
FOX Sports or Versus would piss off the NBA if they broadcasted an exhibition game? lol come on man.For a number of reasons, including said sport TV channels not wanting to piss off the NBA, seeing an agreement could come at any time.
Firstly, you do understand we're arguing hypothetical that won't and will not ever happen. Right?But you're kidding yourself that allegiances wouldn't switch if there's a long-term superior product out there.
Secondly, the quality of the NBA with their name recognition, branding and owners money would slap any petty attempt at a league by the "ABA" as you so see it.
Plenty of arenas are used for NBA and college games now.
Why would they need to renegotiate? It's the NBA! They bought into the NBA, didn't they?
Sure as heck I'll pay $100 to see all those 3. , put up a poll and let's see who wouldn't.Yeah and I'm sure you'll pay 100 dollars to see them play in a dingy poorly lit convention hall. Have at it!
But it isn't just 'an exhibition game'. It's a game that's collecting money for the players during a league imposed lockout. You can't be that naive or dumb.
Of course. I expect the union to either cave or decertify.
The NBA is *NOTHING* without the star players they marketed over the years. They made that bed, now they have to lay on it.
comparing the nba to a new aba system is like comparing wwe to tna....
The idea that a second league could compete with and then destroy the NBA is a farce. It's so laughable that I don't understand why there's so many posts on it.
HOWEVER
If the San Antonio market could ever free itself of it's current obligations to former ABA owners of 25% of their tv revenue like the other old ABA teams, that might be enough in and of itself to make SA a viable market without heavy revenue sharing or a harsh and restrictive hard cap.
But that's not happening.
They don't schedule 40 other games during the traditional basketball season.
There's what, maybe 10 players that would have name recognition outside the NBA realm. You don't honestly think the average person who's a casual viewer of the NBA gives two licks about Chris Paul or Steve Nash or Carmelo Anthony, do you?What do you think the NBA brand is worth without it's star players? This is from a league that worked hard in marketing individual players over teams.
Those are names of players who are stars and household names in the NBA fan realm.
But guess what, the causal viewer or the non-fan still knows the NBA name.
The casual fan isn't going to care enough about Kevin Garnett now playing for the Houston Shippers of the ABA to devote any time or resources.
Sorry, you lose.
My hypothetical scenario doesn't contain replacement players, remembers. We're discussing two separate leagues.They certainly didn't buy into temp player talent. Unless you think they did.
Star players aren't overpaid. As a matter of fact, they're arguably underpaid.
You're not that stupid are you?You can go watch the talent that didn't quite make it in the NBA... it's called the NBDL. What do their TV deal looks like?
Seriously, of course substandard leagues aren't going to have the same goodies and status as the current NBA.
But don't you remember, the NBA as it stand no longer exists. It's the new NBA and the new ABA.
Bro, I'm done arguing such outlandish scenarios with you.
If you'd like to get back o talking a bit more realistically, I;m up for that starting tomorrow.
Which arenas share both full NBA home dates and full college home games?
No, not the occasional game or tournament housed in a NBA arena, but both full home game schedules.
We're entertaining an hypothetical where the NBA wouldn't have star players and would have to compete with a product full of star players.
It's not happening, and we both know it.
You mean McComb is still making out like a bandit?
After every TV contract ends a new one has to be negotiated. The price the network is willing to pay would go down, that's to be expected if the NBA were to introduce new talent to all 30 teams.Why would they need to renegotiate? It's the NBA! They bought into the NBA, didn't they?
Yeah, I'm sure. I'd pay 10,000,000 dollars to see that game. See how easy that was for me to type out.Sure as heck I'll pay $100 to see all those 3. , put up a poll and let's see who wouldn't.
When did I say the players would get paid? I didn't.But it isn't just 'an exhibition game'. It's a game that's collecting money for the players during a league imposed lockout. You can't be that naive or dumb.
The NBA makes the players, not the other way around. Quit sucking so much player . You're making yourself look like Richard Jefferson.The NBA is *NOTHING* without the star players they marketed over the years. They made that bed, now they have to lay on it.
10-15 star players does not a product full of star players.
1. You're backpedaling again. NBA teams have 41 home games and college teams fewer than 20. Scheduling would be no problem. MSG, for example, hosts plenty of college games through the course of the NBA season. Beyond that, most NBA cities have alternate locations better than "dimly lit convention halls". , even San Antonio has the Alamodome.
2. As to your newly formed scenario, FEDEX forum in Memphis is home to the Grizzlies and the University of Memphis.
3. Next?
Brilliant repartee.
How is that backpedaling? I asked for the answer your gave me.
Did I make a claim that no NBA team shares an arena with a college program then say "ok, maybe they do." aka backpedal.
No. I just asked if there was one. And there is, thanks for informing me,
It was a joke. Get a sense of humor.Brilliant repartee.
However, I think you'd agree that the NBA makes the players and not the other way around.
Would Kobe or Jordan be the stars they are if they played for the Jacksonville Giants of the ABA?
It's the NBA name that validated who they were/are and their talents. Bottom line.
Why would it need to be 40 games and why would it need to be during the traditional basketball season?They don't schedule 40 other games during the traditional basketball season.
And why not if it gives them a good chunk of money? It's not like they have games every day.
But the casual viewer doesn't fill the arena. It's the fan that does. And the fan pays to watch Chris Paul or Steve Nash or Carmelo Anthony. Certainly way more than 10 players.
And your point is? It only takes one or two NBA games with a bunch of scrubs to tune out. It's only a matter of time until they find where the stars are playing.
How did this turn into "the casual fan"???
The casual fan doesn't make the bulk of revenues in the NBA. It's the actual fans that put through thick and thin, that buy season tickets, merchandise, etc etc etc.
It doesn't matter. Those owners paid full price that included star talent. Simply put, those franchises are not worth what they were paid for without those star contracts on board.
Not to mention, you don't create a new batch of star talent overnight.
What part are you not understanding? If not for max contract caps, how much do you think a Lebron or Kobe is worth for Miami or LA?You're not that stupid are you?
That's exactly why there's a luxury tax, and we're in this lockout. The actual market value of some of these guys are much more than what they're getting paid.
It doesn't have to be 'substandard'. That's your premise. That said, I don't think an alternate league will pan out of this labor dispute. I don't think the players need to go there to get what they want.Seriously, of course substandard leagues aren't going to have the same goodies and status as the current NBA.
But don't you remember, the NBA as it stand no longer exists. It's the new NBA and the new ABA.
We can go in circles all day long. Bottom line, the NBA product are the star players: FACT. No such players = no product = no NBA.
Your first post clearly suggested that sharing an arena would be difficult, if not impossible. When challenged, you changed the parameters to require an actual example of a shared arena.
You're really not very good at this, which is ok. What's so funny is that you actually believe that you're making any sort of coherent case in this thread.
These NBA players aren't stars without the NBA. Bottom line.
If it was a joke, it was crude and not the least bit funny.
There is little you've said in this thread that I would agree with, least of all that the NBA makes the players.
Why? Your contention is that talent is irrelevant. The NBA brand is what matters.
Or you're backpedaling from that?
Just goes with the rest of the garbage you've been posting, tbh...
But they did get paid. You don't have to say it for it to happen.
So, tell me, why is the NBA cancelling games instead of playing temps?
There's more than 10-15 star players.10-15 star players does not a product full of star players.
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