Modern Wafare 3

[spurs_2108]

tonight....

[z0sa]

Black ops is very plain and blah if you played the other games. The levels are terrible.. the guns are boring.. game play is slower.. kill streaks are nerfed to .. list goes on.

i'll never understand posts like this.. it's like you live under an e-rock. For example, do you have any clue how many people complained about MW2's killstreaks being overpowered? Even on this forum? The call for nerfed killstreaks came straight down from the top, I guarantee it (as if the player outrage wasn't enough for a big change).

And the guns are "boring"? ... what? Sounds like you just play too much and/or rage too hard when you die.

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier. I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

[Cry Havoc]

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier.

Did you seriously just compare CoD4 to Counterstrike? Dude, you can stop there. That is about as inept of a comparison as you could possibly make. They are NOTHING alike. Counterstrike is a tactical team based shooter, I'd compare it to Bad Company 2 LONG before I'd say it's like CoD4. CoD4 is an all-man for himself free for all. Even Team Deathmatch mode doesn't require any coordination until you get into near-pro league levels of play. In CoD4 you can run into a room with 4 guys in there, and kill them all before they had a chance to react. Good luck doing that with CS. That's like saying Quake is like Rainbow 6 because both games have guns. CoD4 and CS were brilliant but I'd put them at (nearly) opposite ends of the FPS spectrum.

I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

You're sort of right. FPS fans found a great modern shooter, because there hadn't been one in several years before or since that approached the quality of CoD4. Just because they made several games afterward to piggyback onto it's success doesn't mean they're as good. And who are you to talk about fanboys? You have gobbled up each successive release post-CoD4 like it's John Romero selling you Daikatana, and every time you've said the new game is better than CoD4, mostly I'm guessing because it's "new". You even crowed about how WaW was superior for a while. We get it, man, you'll buy anything the franchise puts out, but you criticizing other people for seeing the flaws that you're willing to overlook is just wrong.

[Heath Ledger]

Im debating on whether im buying it for 360 or pc i have friends i play with a lot on 360 but the pc version is appealing cuz of the system i just got. BF3 is epic on that machine.

My fiance is already pissed that I spent so much money this past week. Last night I picked up a 22" LCD that is on Amazon for $400 for $100.

[Cry Havoc]

Im debating on whether im buying it for 360 or pc i have friends i play with a lot on 360 but the pc version is appealing cuz of the system i just got. BF3 is epic on that machine.

My fiance is already pissed that I spent so much money this past week. Last night I picked up a 22" LCD that is on Amazon for $400 for $100.

Yeah, I think DICE tightened up the code on BF3, because my 2GB 6950 runs everything on ultra as long as I turn off the AA and turn way down the AF. It looks absolutely mind-blowing and I've only seen one slowdown so far.

[Trainwreck2100]

i'll never understand posts like this.. it's like you live under an e-rock. For example, do you have any clue how many people complained about MW2's killstreaks being overpowered? Even on this forum? The call for nerfed killstreaks came straight down from the top, I guarantee it (as if the player outrage wasn't enough for a big change).

And the guns are "boring"? ... what? Sounds like you just play too much and/or rage too hard when you die.

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier. I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

The guns are boring as , either use the commando, famas, or 47u. Using anything else is a waste. The use of nerfed killstreaks was Treyarch being Treyarch, a below avg. developer who only sell cause they get name recognition.

[z0sa]

Did you seriously just compare CoD4 to Counterstrike? Dude, you can stop there.

Ok. Not. You actually completely missed the point, Havoc.

CS was the "original" modern tactical shooter with a high customizable option count. To act like MW's style of "loadouts" did anything but borrow heavily from this core concept is fooling yourself.

That is about as inept of a comparison as you could possibly make. They are NOTHING alike.

Makes me ROFL my ass off, especially since you compared it to Battlefield. Counter-Strike and MW are both tactical team based shooters. Both allow you to pick your equipment and loadout, even skins. Both (post 1.3 CS) are completely vehicle free, not counting killstreak choppers.

Ni gga please.

I'd compare it to Bad Company 2 LONG before I'd say it's like CoD4.

You'd compare a game based heavily on huge maps with vehicles and high player counts to a tactical shooter like CoD or CS? My turn to laugh my ass off. Essentially every iteration of BF is the opposite end of the spectrum to CoD and CS. That's an inarguable fact, brah.

FPS fans found a great modern shooter, because there hadn't been one in several years before or since that approached the quality of CoD4.

And? Every single CoD since then has been better. They're even based on the same engine. Objectively speaking, the only MW has ever had going for it was nostalgia. Every other CoD since had more of literally everything - but because it wasn't the "original" (LMAO - CS was, and several years earlier, which is my point) they have been woefully ted upon by IW loving assholes - like yourself, no offense meant.

Just because they made several games afterward to piggyback onto it's success doesn't mean they're as good.

Is there seriously even one factor, other than nostalgia, you can say MW is definitely better than Black Ops, for example? We're talking stuff we can put a measuring stick to, not personal feelings and opinions and emotions (like nostalgia for an old, now ty by comparison to anything new game)

And who are you to talk about fanboys? You have gobbled up each successive release post-CoD4

Okay, stop right there bro. YOU and every other CoD fan here gobbled up MW2 months before its release like "it's John Romero selling you Daikatana," what happened hmm? Should we bump some of your old posts sucking it off before you even knew about it, simply because it was IW?

And if you remember, I was the only one on ST doubting whether they could change the formula up in a meaningful way without ing over their hardcore fans. I got a bunch of for it, even from that re Balli, what for? I ended up being right.

Why don't we leave the past in the past and argue the facts.

and every time you've said the new game is better than CoD4, mostly I'm guessing because it's "new".

Thanks for never reading an argument I made. Every game since then has had more killstreaks, more guns, more perks, more DLC, and better graphics. I'm basing my opinion off an objective reasoning; what's yours based on? A -.5 for lacking originality in the review columns?

You even crowed about how WaW was superior for a while.

It still is.

We get it, man

Obviously, you don't. You shouldn't assume about people and then forget all of your own craptastic love for MW2.

[z0sa]

The guns are boring as , either use the commando, famas, or 47u. Using anything else is a waste.

Not that this is true, but playing devil's advocate: You could say the same about essentially any ing shooter. You only saw pros use the MP5, AK47, Colt, and AWP in CS, for example. The M16 is easily the most popular gun in MW. You saw tons of Stopping Power and Juggernaut on the pro scene for CoD 4-MW2. Haven't kept up to date with FFA style FPS but back in the day, in Quake and UT everyone ran for the rocket launcher, etc

This is not a new pattern. You just haven't seen it before and so it must mean whatever you want it to mean.

[Cry Havoc]

Ok. Not. You actually completely missed the point, Havoc.

CS was the "original" modern tactical shooter with a high customizable option count. To act like MW's style of "loadouts" did anything but borrow heavily from this core concept is fooling yourself.

Fair enough. But just because a game takes an idea from another game doesn't make them eminently comparable.

Makes me ROFL my ass off, especially since you compared it to Battlefield. Counter-Strike and MW are both tactical team based shooters. Both allow you to pick your equipment and loadout, even skins. Both (post 1.3 CS) are completely vehicle free, not counting killstreak choppers.

None of the Modern Warfares have ever been tactical until you get to the highest levels of gameplay. Being able to walk into a room and spray to get kills is not tactical. Counterstrike is tactical to an extent. Rainbow 6 is pure tactics.

You'd compare a game based heavily on huge maps with vehicles and high player counts to a tactical shooter like CoD or CS? My turn to laugh my ass off. Essentially every iteration of BF is the opposite end of the spectrum to CoD and CS. That's an inarguable fact, brah.

No. I wouldn't. That's exactly my point. Bad Company 2 is not similar at all to CS, but neither is CoD4. Didn't you say CoD4 and CS were the same because you have loadouts in both and they're both tactical? Well, BC2 is tactical and you have loadouts in both. So I guess they're all the same.

Modern Warfare borrowed ideas from CS. That doesn't mean they're the same kind of game.

Okay, stop right there bro. YOU and every other CoD fan here gobbled up MW2 months before its release like "it's John Romero selling you Daikatana," what happened hmm? Should we bump some of your old posts sucking it off before you even knew about it, simply because it was IW?

Forgive us for being excited about a seriously hyped game with a ton of potential. You've never been like that before, right?

And if you remember, I was the only one on ST doubting whether they could change the formula up in a meaningful way without ing over their hardcore fans. I got a bunch of for it, even from that re Balli, what for? I ended up being right.

What way were you right? You either admit that you were wrong about having doubts, or you were wrong because the people decrying it once it was announced that it was basically a stripped down console game for PC were right. You can't say you had doubts about a game, then splooge all over how fantastic it is, THEN say you were right to have doubts about it. That doesn't make any sense.

Thanks for never reading an argument I made. Every game since then has had more killstreaks, more guns, more perks, more DLC, and better graphics. I'm basing my opinion off an objective reasoning; what's yours based on? A -.5 for lacking originality in the review columns?

This is an argument that's pretty similar to saying if you have a painting that's really awesome, all you need to do to make it more awesome is add more paint and glitter. Still not awesome enough for you? MORE PAINT!

More = better. We get your line of thinking, z0sa. Unfortunately that isn't always the case.

Obviously, you don't. You shouldn't assume about people and then forget all of your own craptastic love for MW2.

Don't confuse love with excitement. They're fairly different and pretty easy to differentiate.

[Muser]

I've enjoyed all of the Modern Warfare's tbh (I can see why people hated 2 though) but at them being tactical.


Look forward to getting this tomorrow though.

[resistanze]

COD4 was easily the best in series from a multiplayer standpoint, imo.

[z0sa]

We're actually not even that far apart, argument wise. I know you know your , Havoc. The only reason I even bring up your excitement, love, whatever you want to call it about MW2 is because you brought up my previous thoughts on WaW and Black Ops. Both are, for the majority part, outside of the argument either of us makes. I don't disagree post-MW CoD has been less than original; I just think Black Ops has done it better than ever.

What I'm saying concerning the "more is better" line, is that in the same series of games, building upon that extremely strong concept and adding to it will almost always make it better. I agree this isn't always the case, but in CoD, I think it is.

Example: more killstreak rewards. Did they go a little far in MW2? Probably, but that was more because Killstreaks like the Nuke could be exploited in an almost unsolvable loophole, short of simply deleting it from the game. When players did not use illegal exploits, they were, for the most part, really cool (IMHO). I think Black Ops has the perfect mixture of killstreaks, as all of them can be stopped with team work and good aim (IE destroying planes and choppers with launchers, good aim beating an RC-XD, etc.. the blackbird is probably the only thing that can't be directly countered)

Additionally, few games are tactical at the public skill level, including CS. That's why hardcore gamers know that a majority of the people who play CoD don't know a thing about how tactical it can be in a practiced team vs team environment.

[Frenzy]

I'm gonna check out mw3 as well. I'm not gonna be at the midnight selling but I do plan to rent/borrow it. I'm not gonna go based on what other people expect it to be....never been that way. Very easy to over analyze and take apart a game..how spoiled have we become

That said I hope it's entertaining.

[Muser]

COD4 was easily the best in series from a multiplayer standpoint, imo.

All round tbh. Single Player was stellar for an FPS I thought.

[Sense]

Lol mw3

[Kyle Orton]

Expectations are not too high but higher than black ops and mw2. Picking up this tonight at midnight

[Heath Ledger]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all .

[Sense]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all .

We could've told you that, oh wait... we did.

btw Battlefield Bad Company 2 > Black OPS + MW2


I'm glad it lived to its expectations... I'm laughing at all the idiots posting pictures of their "limited" edition on the game.. and pictures of the game, etc...

They have really no clue..

[Death In June]

It doesn't surprise me that people might be disappointed with MW3. Infinity Ward is literally half of what it used to be. The creative leads were fired a while ago and founded Respawn entertainment.

[Cry Havoc]

Reviews rolling in for MW 2.5. About what you'd expect. "It's the same game but it's soooooo awesome etc etc".

This is exactly why Madden still sucks after two decades of iterations. People in almost every major industry are completely happy with samey safeness. Gaming is no exception.

[Trainwreck2100]

strike support could be a gamebreaker, it allows for insane amounts of UAVs

[Muser]

We could've told you that, oh wait... we did.

btw Battlefield Bad Company 2 > Black OPS + MW2


I'm glad it lived to its expectations... I'm laughing at all the idiots posting pictures of their "limited" edition on the game.. and pictures of the game, etc...

They have really no clue..

Why do they have no clue? They like the game, I don't get what your problem is with it.

It's pretty fun imo, not as good as battlefield but they're two completely different games.

[Muser]

Deathstreeks can go themselves though.

[Nathan Explosion]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all .

You're complaining that noob tubing is actually not a good strategy? If so, then I'm DEFINITELY picking up this game.

Or, you can just sell me yours, and seeing as how it's now used, I think the going rate on a used game is about $45-$50.

[MannyIsGod]

Noob Tube isn't worthless but its sure as not MW2 OP. I only have the first one equipped since I haven't been able to level up that much (WTF PEOPLE ALREADY LIKE 30+ levels) but in specific situations it can be useful. I've killed quite a few people on the more open maps with a nicely placed grenade out of that thing.

EDIT: Above was in ref to BF3. Have no idea what noob tube is like in MW3.

The more I play BF3 the more I like it.

That being said, I do want to play the MW3 campaign. I've really enjoyed the previous too. If they have coop like they did in MW2 then I'll pick it up also. I had a lot of fun with a couple of friends of mine playing that coop.

People should just play what they like. Arguing over which one is better is just one more unwinable fanboy fight.