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Collective bargaining isn't supposed to be a one sided affair, a take-it-or-leave-it, or ultimatum-ridden bravado.
I support the players at this stage in negotiations because I truly believe they've addressed a lot of the owners complaints, and have even come to the table from the get go willing to compromise on something that helps the league. They've even been willing to take a hit if revenues don't quite pan out. They've even went down from their 53% stance all the way to basically 51%.
Whereas the owners have moved from 47% to 50%, but butchering pretty much the entire system. Their 'move' from a 'hard cap' to a 'flex cap' isn't a move. It's a 'hard cap' in disguise. And to top it all off, the biggest problem is with small market teams, because big markets are making a good chunk of money. Which really points all arrows towards the fact that the NBA has the most horrible revenue-sharing agreement in professional sports in the US.
Collective bargaining isn't supposed to be a one sided affair, a take-it-or-leave-it, or ultimatum-ridden bravado.
Maybe they should start putting the finals on tape delay then because the 1976 and 1977 finals had higher rating then almost every finals since 1999. Not to mention the fact that ratings will be lower if people get the results to the game before it airs.You'll notice the 1970-1980 decade is missing. That was the only period in league history that can truly be considered democratic. Eight different teams won championships: the Celtics, Knicks, Bucks, Lakers, Warriors, Blazers, Bullets and Sonics. That would seem to be the kind of parity the league is now seeking. And the league was so popular that its Finals games had to be shown on tape delay. To be fair, there were other factors at play then -- the league was overwhelmed by the perception of white fans that its black players were all on drugs, for one. But the bottom line is the bottom line -- in the most egalitarian 10-year stretch in league history, no one watched on television, and people hated the on-court product.
I also think that flex cap could make it worse for small market even though their intention is to "get parity". If they are penalizing teams with a progressive LT, teams like LA with their huge incomes and tv deals, could take that hit still and build up payrolls and still make money. Small market teams that now venture into the LT every now and again will no longer be able to do that because the penalties now make them unprofitable if they do so.
The link contradicted what you said.
No, and that is the problem. The owners are running up the score because they can and it is to the detriment of the league. What they say and what they do are two completely different things. They also say the most outlandish things and then come off of them and act like they are concessions.
Nice troll job.
dont understand why the writers are suggesting there is hope for a deal or even talks tomorrow, here is yahoos wonrjrawsowki :
"Sources within seven of the most prominent agencies – including the agents and players themselves – said they have overwhelming support to march toward dissolving the union. The agents are selling decertification to the players as a leverage tool to get a deal done to salvage the season, as much as a long-term threat to take the owners to federal court with an an rust lawsuit."
stern didnt seem to scared about decertification, it doesnt seem it could scare the owners to suddenly negotiate in good faith. they havent even done that now why would they later.
Post-Jordan effect. Which really tells you how important are the stars. After those 76/77 finals, and until the Magic/Bird battles, the Finals couldn't hit 10 points...
I think owners think players don't have the balls to decertify. Don't forget NBA players never done that before.
The agents are self-interested s . Their influence within the NBA peaked in 1998. The 1999 and 2005 CBAs have substantially reduced both their influence and their financial possibilities. Even an agreement based on the union's current position would continue that slide. They have the most to gain and the least to lose from decertification and the ensuing legal fight.
When the commish himself says the Finals he would prefer is "Lakers vs Lakers" you can tell parity isn't really the priority here.
I don't think they do. People have a tendency to lookout for their own interest. To decertify would not be in the best interest of current players.
Thanks, it looks like a good read.
Nope, didn't go to UNCC; I had to google it just to see what it meant. I went to Rice; having Mike Wilks on the 2005 le team was pretty sweet for this Spurs fan.
I disagree.
Lakers guard Steve Blake has been canvassing peers throughout the league over the past 48 hours, pushing them to contact team player representatives to push the Players Association to let its 450-plus membership vote on the owner’s ultimatum offer, sources said. Blake hasn’t been pushing players to vote “yes” or “no” on the deal but has gained a groundswell of support with players throughout the leagueAlso,at Steve Blake trying to call players and push them to vote on this proposal. Steve. Blake. No one cares what you think you scrub.
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You were saying....
why doesnt the owner just agree to whatever the players wanted
then just cut costs and pass it onto the player to cover that costs our of their own pocket, like:
-insurance
-schedule flight tickets
-meals
-accomondation on the road
these players get to many freebies while earning millions...
Would you pay for your own travel for work? I don't.
Just heard on Kens5, that the players and owners are meeting again tomorrow. Not sure if that's legit.
I don't know what the players expect. There is still no hard date as of tomorrow and why would the owners change their stance all of the sudden with no real threat forcing their hand at the moment?
The players have no chance in winning this in their favor.
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
The owners fear the player reps meeting in NYC Tuesday will push for approval of the deal. David Stern was not on the conference call..
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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
The owners on the call included Michael Jordan, Paul Allen and Herb Kohl. They are hoping the players reject the offer, sources said...
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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
7-11 hard-line owners expressed their displeasure with David Stern's 50/50 offer to the players Monday on a conference call, sources said..
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gotta give stern credit. he knows how to handle these egos. the owners dont even want to offer whats on the table now yet stern put it on the table and would get them in line should it pass, of course this wont happen, things are gonna go to
And the greedy get greedier...Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
The hard-line owners prefer the alternative deal that will go into effect Wed if players reject 50/50 - 47 pct, flex cap, contract rollbacks
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