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Thanks to Rodgers, they look pretty good. Still not great though.
why are tech fans so defensive? we're not saying welker sucks or that we wish he wasn't on the team, we're just saying there's no way you can win playoff games consistently when Welker is far and away the #1 option on offense. If you'd like to dispute that, please point to all of Welker's SB rings.
Welker is tearing up the league this year stats-wise. How stupid do you have to be to want them to stop throwing him the ball this way?
Thanks to Rodgers, they look pretty good. Still not great though.
How bout the Giants game or Steelers game?
Also, I've said it already, the Patriots had one of the best passing offenses in the NFL statistically in 2009, 2010 and this year. Relying on smallish receivers like Welker and Branch has produced great regular season results and horrid post season results. There's no reason to think Wes Welker will suddenly become a reliable go-to option in the playoffs this year.
Driver and Jennings were productive receivers before Rodgers came along. Welker was irrelevant before he was taken in by Brady and the Patriots' offense. Idk how you can see Rodgers makes his receivers look pretty good when you're trying to glorify the biggest system product in the NFL right now.
Giants game, Brady had a bad game, made some terrible throws, but still got his team downfield to score a last minute TD.
Steelers game, Pitt controlled the clock because the Pats defense sucks. Brady was 24-35 198 yds 2 tds for a 101.8 QB rating.
Welker was out vs the Ravens in the 09-10 playoff loss where Brady was horrible.Also, I've said it already, the Patriots had one of the best passing offenses in the NFL statistically in 2009, 2010 and this year. Relying on smallish receivers like Welker and Branch has produced great regular season results and horrid post season results. There's no reason to think Wes Welker will suddenly become a reliable go-to option in the playoffs this year.
Welker was banged up most of the year last year and Bill pulled him from the first series in a playoff game for the Ryan foot joke.
Honestly, there's no reason not to keep the league's #1 receiver as the team's #1 receiver heading into the playoffs.
k, Favre and Rodgers
btw, productive =/= great
Welker led the Dolphins in receiving in 2006. Why do you think the Patriots traded 2nd and 7th round picks for Welker?Welker was irrelevant before he was taken in by Brady and the Patriots' offense. Idk how you can see Rodgers makes his receivers look pretty good when you're trying to glorify the biggest system product in the NFL right now.
He was good already. Brady has made him great.
That's how it works.
A great QB will make average WRs good; good WRs great; great WRs hall of famers.
Speaking of SB rings, how many does Randy Moss have?
.... or TO, Ocho, L Fitz, Boldin, Calvin, Steve Smith, B Marshall, Andre Johnson....
haynesworth released?
Wrong, Marty Booker (Marty Booker) led the 2006 Dolphins in receiving.
Because they saw a great fit for their system.
He had yet to eclipse 700 yards before going to New England and had 1,175 yards his first season in New England. He was a mediocre at best receiver before going to New England, you're kidding yourself if you think anyone outside of the Dolphins fan base or Tech fan base knew much about Wes Welker prior to 2007. He was an irrelevant player.
Brady and New England's offense made Troy Brown a near 1,200 yard receiver, Julian in Edelman has had several 100+ yard games when Welker was injured, and in 2006 Reche Caldwell looked like he belonged in the NFL. New England's offense has done way more for slot receivers than what you just described.
I'm right. Welker received more passes than Chris Chambers or lol Marty Booker.Wrong, Marty Booker (
....and did it while only starting 2 games.
Relevance confirmed.Because they saw a great fit for their system.
Irrelevance to fans is not the same as being irrelevant to GMs.He had yet to eclipse 700 yards before going to New England and had 1,175 yards his first season in New England. He was a mediocre at best receiver before going to New England, you're kidding yourself if you think anyone outside of the Dolphins fan base or Tech fan base knew much about Wes Welker prior to 2007. He was an irrelevant player.
Nobody gives up two draft picks for a player with mediocre results on the field.
You're stupid if you think a player can lead the NFL in receptions and yardage halfway through the season by being mediocre.Brady and New England's offense made Troy Brown a near 1,200 yard receiver, Julian in Edelman has had several 100+ yard games when Welker was injured, and in 2006 Reche Caldwell looked like he belonged in the NFL. New England's offense has done way more for slot receivers than what you just described.
If it was that easy for a slot receiver in NE to get 100 catches, someone should have done it before Welker.
When the did leading a team in receiving = leading a team in receptions. The universal meaning for "leading a team in receiving" has always having the most reception yards. By your logic Welker also "led the Patriots in receiving" in 2007.
Relevance to the team thatRelevance confirmed.
But he was irrelevant to fans prior to 2007, I'm glad you're at least admitting that.
Do you think a career with < 700 receiving yards every season is better than mediocre results?
When he's in the same offense that got Troy Brown a season with 1,199 yards, not really.
You act like New England didn't have jack at receiver for Brady's career prior to 2007. I'm not disputing the fact Welker is better than any slot receiver Brady had before him.
Why couldn't Welker put up more than 700 receiving yards without Brady if he's such a beast on his own?
tbh you're right, i got a little carried away with that statement imho
but you still need a complete #1 receiver to win it all. Welker runs too many gimmicky routes to be that kind of #1 immhoo
re·ceive (r-sv), re·ceiv·ing, re·ceives
8. Football To catch or take possession of a kicked ball.
sure. It makes no difference.But he was irrelevant to fans prior to 2007, I'm glad you're at least admitting that.
I think Welker's performance in the limited duty he got was better than mediocre.Do you think a career with < 700 receiving yards every season is better than mediocre results?
PR and KR included.
I forgot Troy hit the 100 reception mark.When he's in the same offense that got Troy Brown a season with 1,199 yards, not really.
You are underestimating that dude too.
He didn't have any perennial pro bowler/hall of fame receivers that I can think of.You act like New England didn't have jack at receiver for Brady's career prior to 2007. I'm not disputing the fact Welker is better than any slot receiver Brady had before him.
did with CasselWhy couldn't Welker put up more than 700 receiving yards without Brady if he's such a beast on his own?
lol Welker not being a complete receiver and leading the league in just about everything
lol thinking Wes Welker is a complete #1 receiver
lol stereotyping
Pats have a good offense, but don't have dynamic players which limits their offense. Welker isn't the problem, but he isn't the solution. Their offense isn't as great as people think.
Pats passing game isn't a problem at all.
Pats fans griping about Brady forcing the ball into Welker instead of discussing all the other glaring problems they have is lol.
nope
take Bryant for example. he's as Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ific as they come but he's not a complete receiver either. Both of them are limited in route running
I had no reason to think Bryant is a complete receiver to begin with.
Since Welker is shredding everyone in his path, I have no reason not to believe Welker is as complete as they come.
Really? So you believe anything Calvin Johnson can do on a football field, Welker can do just as well?
Physically? Of course not, but if Welker is getting the job done, what difference does it make?
In other words, he's not as complete as they come.
He's as complete as any average NFL #1 receiver comes.
Currently he's on pace to break Rice's record of 1848 yds. If/when Wes breaks the 1500 yard mark, by my count he'll be just the 9th guy to do it since 2000.
What more are you looking for from a wide receiver?
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