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    Nothing about fear in his post. Reading fail.
    The implication is quite clear.

    Understanding fail.

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    How delusional would one have to be on his deathbed to think he'd survive his own death?

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    Is that what I said, 60,000?

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    So Darrin, how come God is less charitable than humans?

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    Not that this has anything to do with politics, but I'll bite. God's path for each of us is different, but we all go through tests of character and tests of faith at one point or another. Some give up on themselves and God, while others persevere and grow through these tests.

    In other words, if you're an amputee it's your pre-ordained path and your choice is to suc b to it or embrace it and persevere. By the way, you can call me delusional, but I do believe that God has the power to heal the sick, bring the dead back to life and even give an amputee their appendage back. His choice to perform a miracle or not is based on what He has pre-determined for you.

    This is honestly a weak question if you're bringing in the faith argument though. I would've gone with...why does God allow innocent young boys and girls to suffer through physical or sexual abuse and do nothing?
    God is credited with healing the sick all the time.

    Why are amputees different?

    I agree it is a fairly mild one, but hardly a weak point. It has rather large implications.

    Your question speaks to the same thing.

    Why would a God answer all sorts of prayers but leave those of the tortured and abused and everything else alone?

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    Is that what I said, 60,000?
    Sure.

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    Too bad wishing for something to be true doesn't make it true. One has to be a really sad person to have to lie to themselves constantly just so they can give their lives meaning.
    Actually, believing that how you live your life matters gives it meaning by definition, no. It's the atheist who must think their lives meaningless.

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    Too bad wishing for something to be true doesn't make it true. One has to be a really sad person to have to lie to themselves constantly just so they can give their lives meaning.
    You're not an athiest though if you're wishing for an afterlife. You wouldn't be considering the possibility or hoping of such implausible matters. Still waiting for your proof God doesn't exist though. You'd need it to support your claims. Still waiting on that.

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    You're not an athiest though if you're wishing for an afterlife. You wouldn't be considering the possibility or hoping of such implausible matters. Still waiting for your proof God doesn't exist though. You'd need it to support your claims. Still waiting on that.
    You're really confused here. You're really putting belief on par with wishing on a star?

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    I just think it'd be a silly waste of time for an athiest to wish for an afterlife on their deathbed. Thats all I'm saying.

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    You are seriously bored...

    But you know I'll bite every now and then...

    Two reasons I can think of (despite the fact that your question is flawed in the sense that GOD is more than capable of supernaturally restoring our bodies. There are a couple of accounts in the Bible where HE has restored 'amputees' (i.e. the ear of the guard that came to arrest Him) as well as cripples and leppers, to full corporal health etc... that you don't believe it, is another matter entirely - but we already knew that)...

    Anyways, 1) GOD is more concerned about the destiny of our eternal spirit. That is what separates us from the animals. Our spirit was given to us in the image of GOD Himself... that part of us is immortal.

    Once our imperfect physical bodies die... they decay and forever return to the earth...

    Our glorified 'bodies' however, will live on forever... Any amount of physical suffering endured here on earth hence, is vastly dwarfed in the context of eternity (and infintessimally insignificant)...

    Frankly and biblically speaking, our physical well-being is not GOD's top priority - despite our selfish wishes to the contrary.

    2) GOD doesn't work to appease the mocking faithless. Even while HE may actually heal many among us, many still don't believe. So now you require even more proof? That's not how it works...

    Call me delusional, hack away as usual, proceed with your regular sarcasm... whatever...

    Peace out..!

    Edit: bolded for emphasis of main counterpoint.
    I don't need sarcasm when I have the truth.

    Neither do I have to call you names.

    If God is really concerned about our eternal spirit, why did he choose to reveal His word to some backwater tribe of goat herders, when the most populous area of the Earth at the time was in China and India?

    Would it not have been more effective at saving souls if your Message reached out to many many people, and/or people that were more literate to boot?

    Why has God ceased healing amputees? A couple instances in the Bible don't really cut it for modern people who have not seen it, as has been pointed out.

    If God is really interested in saving souls, then it seems to me God is doing a pretty bad job, as less than 1/7th of the humans God has chosen to create believe in what the Bible says is God's son, and the only way into heaven.

    Quite frankly, I find it a bit more than su ious that the miracles of the type described in the Bible and so forth seem to have vanished with the advance of scientific knowledge. Oddly enough that is consistant with the theory that the bible is simply some primitive people's attempt at explaining the world around them, because they had no other explanation.
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    Wishing for an afterlife is a silly waste of time for anyone, deathbed or not.

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    Why?

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    You're really confused here. You're really putting belief on par with wishing on a star?
    I would.

    There is about as much evidence for God answering prayers as for wishes on stars.

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    I just think it'd be a silly waste of time for an athiest to wish for an afterlife on their deathbed. Thats all I'm saying.
    If they believe on their deathbed, they get saved.

    I didn't make the rules.

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    Actually, believing that how you live your life matters gives it meaning by definition, no. It's the atheist who must think their lives meaningless.
    I haven't read anything written by an atheist that states this. If they "must" think this, they seem to be keeping it a well-kept secret.

    or

    You are, yet again, making up for whatever reason. I tend to think because it is emotionally appealing to you to believe things like this.

    Given your track record, I would give more credence to the latter.

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    Actually, believing that how you live your life matters gives it meaning by definition, no. It's the atheist who must think their lives meaningless.
    Wow, that's a stunning amount of fail.

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    I would.

    There is about as much evidence for God answering prayers as for wishes on stars.
    In that sense I agree, but that's not how I meant it. If you break down Mingus' statement it is essentially

    If you want an afterlife, then you believe in a god (you cannot be an atheist).

    Then the contrapositive would be
    If you don't believe in a god, then you don't want an afterlife.

    It is equivalent to saying
    If you don't believe you will win the lottery, then you don't want to win the lottery.

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    If you are an athiest, why would anything ever be considered morally wrong?

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    If you are an athiest, why would anything ever be considered morally wrong?
    This is a horrible strawman even for you.

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    In that sense I agree, but that's not how I meant it. If you break down Mingus' statement it is essentially

    If you want an afterlife, then you believe in a god (you cannot be an atheist).

    Then the contrapositive would be
    If you don't believe in a god, then you don't want an afterlife.

    It is equivalent to saying
    If you don't believe you will win the lottery, then you don't want to win the lottery.
    i don't think you have to believe in God to hope for an afterlife. that's not what i intended to say. i'm saying a so-called athiest wouldn't even consider an afterlife plausible. so why hope for it?

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    I haven't read anything written by an atheist that states this. If they "must" think this, they seem to be keeping it a well-kept secret.

    or

    You are, yet again, making up for whatever reason. I tend to think because it is emotionally appealing to you to believe things like this.

    Given your track record, I would give more credence to the latter.
    Well, you spend a lot of your time trying to save humanity from plant food. Why should you care what happens to all the soulless humans after your biology fails you?

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    You're not an athiest though if you're wishing for an afterlife. You wouldn't be considering the possibility or hoping of such implausible matters.
    I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

    [quote]Still waiting for your proof God doesn't exist though.[/youtube]

    Still waiting on your proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. If you can't provide any, you must convert at once.

    using "you can't prove he doesn't exist!" as an argument

    You'd need it to support your claims.
    What claims are you talking about?

    Actually, believing that how you live your life matters gives it meaning by definition, no.
    One lying to themself to give their life meaning is sad.

    It's the atheist who must think their lives meaningless.
    Uh, no. Meaning in life depends entirely on the person.

    If you are an athiest, why would anything ever be considered morally wrong?
    Humans give actions labels. Nothing is objectively wrong when it comes to morals.

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    This is a horrible strawman even for you.
    Well, where do our morals come from? Why is something "good" vs "bad"?

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    If you are an athiest, why would anything ever be considered morally wrong?
    Because human beings are granted an innate sense of right and wrong, and the ability to think about ethics and such things.

    You seem to be confusing nihilism with atheism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

    Get reading.

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