Penn State cover up

[JamStone]

I think this is an instance where the death penalty really should be considered. I do feel bad for the current players and the vast majority of the fans and students of Penn State that had nothing to do with any of this. But there has to be serious and extreme punishment levied on the ins ution. Regardless of who and how many knew, this is the type of that has to be given the harshest penalties allowed.

I will say this about Paterno though. While he's absolutely a villain in this whole thing, I do think some people (I've been hearing and reading) suggesting that Paterno is just as evil as Sandusky are being too harsh. Should Paterno face judgment and some sort of penalty? Absolutely. But let's be clear. The man who actually molested and raped the boys is the primary person to be blamed and persecuted here. The cover up is horrible. But nothing is as bad, as evil, or as sick as the actual acts of violating the kids.

Agree with letting any current players being given the option to transfer freely and without having to wait out a year to play. And while it's in reality zero solace for the victims, all of Paterno's wins since that first reported incident in 1998 should be vacated in the record books. Means nothing in the grand scheme of things and with respect to moral justice, but it should be a consequence as well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think if this were any coach but Paterno it would be worse and he'd be out the door by now. JoePa being that wrinkly sweet old man people blindly adore and refuse to think could have been involved with this is saving his ass right now. If this happened to someone like Les Miles who was polarizing to begin with, keeping his job would be a lost cause, and he'd be run out of Louisiana. Furthermore, if this happened at Arizona with Mike Stoops who wasn't polarizing but was purely hated to begin with, he'd lose his job and half the population of Tucson would be surrounding his house all armed with torches and pitchforks.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact real police (not the campus cops) were not immediately notified illustrates everything that is wrong with college sports these days.

[jag]

This is going to make for some awkward conversations with recruits.

[TFloss32]

Dan Bernstein:
"FYI: names are being (cross)checked with Sandusky's Second Mile, and there are other older adult men with "curious" relationships. Only the start."

[Blake]

I think this is an instance where the death penalty really should be considered.

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

Simply clean house, fire everyone that needs firing and let the legal process play out.

[Giuseppe]

Is Cully a Penn State fan?

After a fashion.

What I find adorable:::is Media acting clueless as if they didn't know about this molestation for years.

Please. They kept their mouths shut because that was the deal. The cutoff was the win record. There was nothing after that to be gleaned in a positive manner. Now. Now Paterno, 84 years old could be turned out. But, so much more to be had beating Paterno, et al down the other side of the mountain. A fortune to be made there.

& afterall, like the little girl ex NBA All Star PG & current Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson molested and the girl that Neal bent over, these PA. little boys were just human debris.

[Spurminator]

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

I'd argue it did. If this had come out when it was supposed to it would have had a detrimental effect on recruiting. So the net result of covering up the scandal was positive for Penn State football. The reason it was covered up was to protect Penn State football.

The standard needs to be set, and the message sent, that if you cover up something of this magnitude to protect your program, you risk completely ruining it forever.

Obviously I feel bad for the players since they had nothing to do with it, but ever team that gets punished by the NCAA has players who were innocent and unfortunately had to suffer the consequences of their peers' and coaching staff's bad decisions.

[Sisk]

They're going to let him finish the season. They just don't get it do they? Is there anything but incompetence at Penn State?

[Findog]

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

Simply clean house, fire everyone that needs firing and let the legal process play out.

I agree. Why should Penn State's fans, alumni and the current football team suffer for the actions of a few individuals? SMU never really recovered from the death penalty.

[JamStone]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

[The Reckoning]

go back and read some of the reviews of his autobiography...

"When it comes to touching, there's nobody I know of that can better call upon 40 years experience of bad touch than one Jerry Sandusky."

[Giuseppe]

At least now all the stories that have been written, but, sat on for the past 15 years can be published.

tee, hee.

[Blake]

I'd argue it did. If this had come out when it was supposed to it would have had a detrimental effect on recruiting. So the net result of covering up the scandal was positive for Penn State football. The reason it was covered up was to protect Penn State football.

Paterno would still be around and in control so I think the effect on recruiting would have been minimal if at all.

That aside, there's no way to prove that recruiting would have been affected.

[Blake]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

a sports program death penalty would not fit this type of crime.

[Findog]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

This is a criminal matter, not a case of NCAA violations. I'm not even sure what jurisdiction the NCAA has here.

[Spurminator]

Paterno would still be around and in control so I think the effect on recruiting would have been minimal if at all.

That aside, there's no way to prove that recruiting would have been affected.

There's no way to prove trading jerseys for free tattoos gives a program an advantage but the NCAA had no problems handing down sanctions for that.

Anyway, there is no burden of proof to show the cover-up helped PSU in recruiting. Everyone involved clearly thought there was a risk to contacting authorities, otherwise why hide it?

They hid the scandal because they unfathomably put football and cronyism above preventing child rape. The players, the alumni and the students will survive. It's just football, after all.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, go nuclear on this . It's a ing game.

[Giuseppe]

They hid the scandal because they unfathomably put football and cronyism above preventing child rape. The players, the alumni and the students will survive. It's just football, after all.

& Media helped 'em too. They're just as culpable here in the rape of these children. But, they're in charge of the information flow, like when Tiger Woods went down. They knew, but, they had it bottled up sucking on his prime. Once Mrs. Tiger took off after him with the 9 iron in the subdivision streets in broad daylight a certain segment of Media couldn't keep it contained and so they ran ahead of all Media and blew it out.

If these PA. boys were of merit (had actual fathers) it wouldn't have happened like this. But, these boys are nobody's sons. And so Sandusky used 'em, and Media used 'em.

[Maddog]

I don't think there's anything lmao about this.

It's ing reprehensible.

The fact real police (not the campus cops) were not immediately notified illustrates everything that is wrong with college sports these days.

I couldn't agree more

[JamStone]

a sports program death penalty would not fit this type of crime.

I think if the crime was handled properly, I'd agree with you. If the crime happened last week, and all of this was coming out of Penn State and them proactively taking every measure to make sure Sandusky was prosecuted immediately to make sure this stopped right now, then I'd agree with you completely.

I see the cover-up as something that makes the whole ordeal an ins utional issue. When you have the perpetrator first being associated with the football program and then the football program along with the university not handling things the way they should have, it becomes an extension of not only the university, but the athletic department, and the football program. The crime by itself is a criminal matter that should involve the alleged criminal only. The 10 year or so cover-up makes it a university and football program issue. The school administrators, president, athletic director, football coach do not only represent the university, but the NCAA. It's my opinion that the NCAA should view it that way and levy penalties against the university accordingly. That's just how I see it.

[Giuseppe]

I don't think there's anything lmao about this.

It's ing reprehensible.

& yet you lyao downstairs about this very thing.

[Blake]

There's no way to prove trading jerseys for free tattoos gives a program an advantage but the NCAA had no problems handing down sanctions for that.

Pretty clear NCAA rules infraction; easy call for the NCAA to make.

Tbh, they should have suspended the Ohio St players for the bowl game on top of the games the following year.

[Blake]

& Media helped 'em too. They're just as culpable here in the rape of these children. But, they're in charge of the information flow, like when Tiger Woods went down. They knew, but, they had it bottled up sucking on his prime. Once Mrs. Tiger took off after him with the 9 iron in the subdivision streets in broad daylight a certain segment of Media couldn't keep it contained and so they ran ahead of all Media and blew it out.

If these PA. boys were of merit (had actual fathers) it wouldn't have happened like this. But, these boys are nobody's sons. And so Sandusky used 'em, and Media used 'em.

what media?

[Blake]

I think if the crime was handled properly, I'd agree with you. If the crime happened last week, and all of this was coming out of Penn State and them proactively taking every measure to make sure Sandusky was prosecuted immediately to make sure this stopped right now, then I'd agree with you completely.

I see the cover-up as something that makes the whole ordeal an ins utional issue. When you have the perpetrator first being associated with the football program and then the football program along with the university not handling things the way they should have, it becomes an extension of not only the university, but the athletic department, and the football program. The crime by itself is a criminal matter that should involve the alleged criminal only. The 10 year or so cover-up makes it a university and football program issue. The school administrators, president, athletic director, football coach do not only represent the university, but the NCAA. It's my opinion that the NCAA should view it that way and levy penalties against the university accordingly. That's just how I see it.

just curious, if this happened at a high school instead of a university, would you also think that the high school should lose it's football program?