Well thank you for realizing how re ed it was to say he's as complete as they come.
Even so, could the Patriots ever call a fade route to him? The average NFL #1 receiver surely could be counted on to be at least decent at fade routes.
They = average #1 wide receiver
They =/= one guy........English language rules imply that it never has, never will.
Wes is as complete as they come.
irrelevant unless the Pats need a #1 WR to perform a fade route to be successful.Even so, could the Patriots ever call a fade route to him? The average NFL #1 receiver surely could be counted on to be at least decent at fade routes.
Complete would mean Welker's a threat to score from outside of the RZ.
Is he?
Pretty sure Wes scored on his 99 yrd TD this year.
and lol last year 2 of CJ's 12 TDs were outside of the 23 yard line.
either way, where are you getting this defintion of complete receiver?
Which would have been one short of Welker's career total in that time.
Complete would mean able to do everything well.
Can Welker be as effective playing outside the hashes?
Career totals 19 to 4.
The guy without Brady has the 19.
Any other complete #1s have such a low total?
BTW, the RZ doesn't start at the 23. You can change it to the 40 if you like.
do me a favor and list all the WRs in the league that you think do everything well.
it would be great if you could also list in what ways they have productively been better than Welker this year.
several effective catches outside the hashes:Can Welker be as effective playing outside the hashes?
FTR, being a threat outside of the RZ is your own definition of being a complete WR.
If a 23 yard TD gives you that much more of an erection than a 19 yd TD, then by all means, do what you have to do to get it up.
Wes Welker is great and the passing game isn't the biggest problem for New England. But there is no doubt that a deep threat would help them tremendously.
You look at Welker's production and there's very little to be critical of. He produces. He makes catches, makes big plays, and scores. But a big time #1 receiver does all those things and more. A true #1 receiver makes the impossible catch when he's double covered to keep the chains moving. And the big plays downfield don't only provide for explosive and quick scoring plays but can also flip field position. A true #1 who is also a deep threat opens up the entire offense just by his presence and the mere threat of making a big play downfield, not just by his production. That opens up the run game and the middle of the field, and now short throws and screens to the tight ends and running backs that would go for 5-7 yards turn into 15-20 yard plays because the safeties are playing so far back. Once you open that run game and that short passing game, the QB doesn't have to throw it 45-50 times a game or force tough passes in narrow windows, which also positively affects the turnover game.
Hard to criticize what Welker has done so far this season. He's been great. But there are added dimensions a true #1 receiver has that Welker doesn't necessarily bring to the table.
don't act like you haven't been cherry picking numbers to fit Welker into your own "complete receiver" definition.
So it's 3rd and 2 with 10 seconds left in the Super Bowl. No timeouts. Your team has to score a TD to win. There's time for one pass into the end zone before you try a 4th down run.
On that 3rd down the head coach calls a fade route. A VERY COMMON route that gets run every Sunday in the NFL. It's clearly a crucial route for ANY BIG TIME RECEIVER TO KNOW HOW TO RUN because a properly run fade route always means your team scores a touchdown.
You have to pick one receiver out of anybody in the NFL to run that fade route to win the Super Bowl. How many receivers do you pick ahead of Wes Welker?
No there's not, look at his numbers, he's clearly the best. Saying Welker isn't the best receiver in the league is just as stupid as saying Allen Iverson wasn't the best player in the league during his prime because he scored the most points!
I completely forgot about Duane Starks in NE. WTF happened there?
Right, until the NFL comes out with an official one, I have my own complete receiver definition.
I'm just here asking why you are crying about Brady over-relying on Welker when it's obviously working.
Plenty of other things about the Pats for you to cry about, tbh.
DLF has already mentioned that Wes gets most of his TDs inside the 20 rather than outside.
So since we have gotten to the Super Bowl with Wes as the #1, the coach would be stupid not to go ahead and run the usual plays that get him open for the TD instead of a fade.
Last edited by Blake; 11-09-2011 at 08:36 PM.
AI is a future hall of famer that won an MVP the same year he led his team to the Finals.
great comparison.
In other words, Welker isn't as complete as you say he is.
And have you seen the TD totals he's put up in his career? Not exactly complete receiver quality.
He's as complete as they come.
He hasn't really been WR #1 until this year.
....and that's what we are talking about......this year.
He's #1 across the NFL receiving stat board and you are whining about it.
lol hilarious, tbh
Oh what a coincidence. Brady doesnt lock into Welker all game long and the Patriots dominate.
I wouldn't throw at Revis either.
You'd think a receiver as complete as they come would be up to the challenge. I'm just glad Brady stopped forcing balls to him and instead targeted the actual best receiver on the team, Gronkowski.
but forcing it to Welker was working so well
Oh and anyone who challenged my claim that Gronk was one of if not the best TE in the NFL can suck a tbh
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