Why won't God heal amputees?

[Blake]

Torture and unpleasant things happened to children by Jerry Sandusky. Would those things have happened to children if he feared the eternal wrath of God for those actions?

in the Christian religion, raping of children is irrelevant to eternal life so fear of God's eternal wrath really is no motivator for any true Christian.

[Blake]

We always hate what we fear...

I fear grizzly bears, but I don't hate them.

[AFBlue]

Agree with your point of it being logical or not...


On the other hand...why do you presume to think or know that any god would use logic?

Why do humans think they can use logic to explain god when no one even knows who or what god is. Why would you try to apply logic to something unknowable?


The people who are certain that god exists...are pretty blind.

The people here who are certain that god DOES NOT exist and are ridiculing those who do...are pretty blind also.

I said I used logic based on my belief that God is omnipotent to come to the conclusion that God has a plan and those seemingly horrible things are a part of that plan for some reason. Not that God was susceptible to human logic.

And I wouldn't say that I was "blind" or have blind faith. I perceive that God touches our lives almost daily and has a hand in our path. I see the miracle of existence of life and choose to believe it's not randomness. These perceptions aren't proof, but they aren't without merit. To call me blind means there's not reason to believe in something beyond random coincidence.

[cantthinkofanything]

I said I used logic based on my belief that God is omnipotent to come to the conclusion that God has a plan and those seemingly horrible things are a part of that plan for some reason. Not that God was susceptible to human logic.

And I wouldn't say that I was "blind" or have blind faith. I perceive that God touches our lives almost daily and has a hand in our path. I see the miracle of existence of life and choose to believe it's not randomness. These perceptions aren't proof, but they aren't without merit. To call me blind means there's not reason to believe in something beyond random coincidence.

If by God, you mean the machine that was put in place at the beginning of time and set everything on its predetermined path, then yes, I agree that God touches our lives every second of the day. And it also jibes with everything nothing being coincidental.

[Blake]

I said I used logic based on my belief that God is omnipotent to come to the conclusion that God has a plan and those seemingly horrible things are a part of that plan for some reason. Not that God was susceptible to human logic.

And I wouldn't say that I was "blind" or have blind faith. I perceive that God touches our lives almost daily and has a hand in our path. I see the miracle of existence of life and choose to believe it's not randomness. These perceptions aren't proof, but they aren't without merit. To call me blind means there's not reason to believe in something beyond random coincidence.

If by God, you mean the machine that was put in place at the beginning of time and set everything on its predetermined path, then yes, I agree that God touches our lives every second of the day. And it also jibes with everything nothing being coincidental.

If God has a plan for you, does that mean you really have free will?

[mouse]

I must say Chump has been waxing mingus's ass in this topic.

[AFBlue]

Not sure I buy the argument that torture or unpleasant things happening to children happen for a "purpose".

If so, it would seem that purpose is, well, evil.

Seemingly. I'd like to defend God by giving hypotheticals about how that terrible experience effects positive change in that person's life down the road or in the lives of others...but I don't know God's plan.

Do I wish my twin sister had not died six weeks after we were born? Absolutely. But, do I know that it would have changed my life, the life of my parents and siblings? Absolutely. I can't tell you definitively why God chose that path for her, but I do believe it happened for a reason.

[AFBlue]

If by God, you mean the machine that was put in place at the beginning of time and set everything on its predetermined path, then yes, I agree that God touches our lives every second of the day. And it also jibes with everything nothing being coincidental.

Machine put in place by who?

[vy65]

1:18 tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seemingly. I'd like to defend God by giving hypotheticals about how that terrible experience effects positive change in that person's life down the road or in the lives of others...but I don't know God's plan.

Do I wish my twin sister had not died six weeks after we were born? Absolutely. But, do I know that it would have changed my life, the life of my parents and siblings? Absolutely. I can't tell you definitively why God chose that path for her, but I do believe it happened for a reason.

Do you acknowledge that it may just be that its just much more comforting to think that there is some grand scheme for such a tragedy like that versus the notion that its just a random event?

[mingus]

Do you acknowledge that it may just be that its just much more comforting to think that there is some grand scheme for such a tragedy like that versus the notion that its just a random event?

I know you're asking him, but of course that goes through my mind. Never said I knew anything. Just faith that happens for a reason. Principle without God in tough times (I'm talking really excutiatingly tough times) isn't enough for a lot of people. Faith in a grander plan is necessary. Some of us aren't so fortunate to not need God's "help." call it a cop out or whatever you want to call it but until you've walked in my shoes I think it's pretty dumb.

[silverblk mystix]

I said I used logic based on my belief that God is omnipotent to come to the conclusion that God has a plan and those seemingly horrible things are a part of that plan for some reason. Not that God was susceptible to human logic.

And I wouldn't say that I was "blind" or have blind faith. I perceive that God touches our lives almost daily and has a hand in our path. I see the miracle of existence of life and choose to believe it's not randomness. These perceptions aren't proof, but they aren't without merit. To call me blind means there's not reason to believe in something beyond random coincidence.

I was actually referring more to the people that think they have it figured out that there is NO GOD.

They try to use logic as to why God would or would not do something--or allow/not allow something to happen.

If we are going to be really honest here...if anyone here has the balls to admit it....then I will be the first here...

No one on this entire planet now or throughout history has ever seen god and can prove it....

Which makes all of us blind here....I readily admit that when it comes to knowing the mystery of this thing we call god....I don't really know what it really is...and that is ok.

It is like the proverbial blind guys arguing over what the color green is....one guy says it is smooth like satin...the other says no it is soothing like soft music...then they get into an argument and beat each other....

Neither of them has ever seen the color green and yet they are beating the outta each other....


that is all we are doing here....

none of us KNOWS either way if there is or isn't a god...

and so we will remain until the end of our life.

[Blake]

prove that we are all blind.

[Ignignokt]

One side clearly won the debate.

Yet, it was dumbass vs dumbass.

Look, you should never be called to prove a negative.

But at the same time, you're not clever if you ask questions like why does God allow for ty things to happen..

That's not a clever point.

I could play theist and knock some of you asshole atheist out looking silly.

[Th'Pusher]

One side clearly won the debate.

Yet, it was dumbass vs dumbass.

Look, you should never be called to prove a negative.

But at the same time, you're not clever if you ask questions like why does God allow for ty things to happen..

That's not a clever point.

I could play theist and knock some of you asshole atheist out looking silly.

Lol at reading 20 pages of dumbass vs dumbass debate unclever questions.

[scott]

One side clearly won the debate.

Yet, it was dumbass vs dumbass.

Look, you should never be called to prove a negative.

But at the same time, you're not clever if you ask questions like why does God allow for ty things to happen..

That's not a clever point.

I could play theist and knock some of you asshole atheist out looking silly.

Challenge accepted. Start a thread.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you're asking him, but of course that goes through my mind. Never said I knew anything. Just faith that happens for a reason. Principle without God in tough times (I'm talking really excutiatingly tough times) isn't enough for a lot of people. Faith in a grander plan is necessary. Some of us aren't so fortunate to not need God's "help." call it a cop out or whatever you want to call it but until you've walked in my shoes I think it's pretty dumb.

This is actually where I find the insidious portion of religion. They trade comfort for social control. I like the idea that my freinds and family that have passed on are moved on to a better place. However I see it for what it is and refuse to allow the selfishness of a sense of comfort trade my logic for what I know to be true.

Would it be nice that my grandmother was chilling ina place of enlightenment? You bet but at the same time that does not make all the rest of the that they feed you true no matter how nice that one thing would be.

I have actually had events in my life that I believe were supernatural and have me firmly believe that the spiritual realm is more than a farce. That does not mean some dogmatic bull from obvious liars is true.

[silverblk mystix]

prove that we are all blind.

It is a self-evident truth. If you can't provide just ONE human who has seen God and can prove it...

then all we are doing here is pissing in the wind.

[mingus]

This is actually where I find the insidious portion of religion. They trade comfort for social control. I like the idea that my freinds and family that have passed on are moved on to a better place. However I see it for what it is and refuse to allow the selfishness of a sense of comfort trade my logic for what I know to be true.

Would it be nice that my grandmother was chilling ina place of enlightenment? You bet but at the same time that does not make all the rest of the that they feed you true no matter how nice that one thing would be.

I have actually had events in my life that I believe were supernatural and have me firmly believe that the spiritual realm is more than a farce. That does not mean some dogmatic bull from obvious liars is true.

I'll be the first to tell you that religious dogma as far as im concerned is bull . I don't believe in the teachings of Judaism or Christianity. I think most of what's in them is strange and clearly anecdotal. Those dogmas dont make much sense to me and i dont follow them. But for me having a vague but firm faith that there's a God, a Creator, an ultimate Judge is liberating to me. It's both centered me and allowed me to explore see and appreciate things in life I probably wouldn't have otherwise. You get called a Bible thumper around here for that though, a religious nut.

[ElNono]

I'll be the first to tell you that religious dogma as far as im concerned is bull . I don't believe in the teachings of Judaism or Christianity. I think most of what's in them is strange and clearly anecdotal. Those dogmas dont make much sense to me and i dont follow them. But for me having a vague but firm faith that there's a God, a Creator, an ultimate Judge is liberating to me. It's both centered me and allowed me to explore see and appreciate things in life I probably wouldn't have otherwise. You get called a Bible thumper around here for that though, a religious nut.

Meh, I can only speak for myself, but I've pointed out in other threads dangling with this topic that I do see the value of religion as a social tool.
It's undeniable that tools like religion or psychology have helped people find that balance you mention in their lives.

Now, it wouldn't work for me. But if it works for somebody else, then good for them.

[Drachen]

why won't god heal the cir cised?

[mouse]

why won't god heal the cir cised?

As your waiting on an answer may I suggest your boyfriend try the latest surgery?


http://www.restoringtally.com/blog/2...-your-foreskin
http://www.cir s ions.com/Restore.html

[jacobdrj]

Because God knew that eventually Man would create really awesome prostheses that are superior in their expense/modularity/functionality... God likes watching civilization progress. I would imagine it is quite entertaining...

God's ultimate plan is for human kind to transform itself into the Borg...

[cantthinkofanything]

If God has a plan for you, does that mean you really have free will?

No. It's all predetermined. People believe that the choices they make are spontaneus but their decisions are based on chemicals in their brain reacting to the results of past events which are in turn based on chemstry, physics, equations, etc.

Machine put in place by who?

If I knew who, what, or why (not there has to be a who, what or why), I probably wouln't be spending my valuable time on Spurstalk.

[101A]

No. It's all predetermined. People believe that the choices they make are spontaneus but their decisions are based on chemicals in their brain reacting to the results of past events which are in turn based on chemstry, physics, equations, etc.

Seems logical. Hit the reboot button on the Universe, and it all turns out EXACTLY as it did this time. This atom mixes with that one, form that sun, planet, etc.....until we end up with ios 5 and Justin Bieber.