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If that offer doesn't deserve the nuclear option, not sure what kind of offer does... and if the NBDL rule is for real, then I'll pay for tickets to go kick the player's asses.
my guess is the decertification was going to be used for tactical purposes. after what the owners presented its real now.
If that offer doesn't deserve the nuclear option, not sure what kind of offer does... and if the NBDL rule is for real, then I'll pay for tickets to go kick the player's asses.
Exactly. It's like the players are abused spouses. "I know my spouse hits me, but I promise my spouse will change and my spouse really loves me. Maybe this time if I talk to my spouse, they'll realize"
its not real just because it wasnt up for discussion yet. it was a B issue. but it does signify the entirty of the discussions. this was a b issue and they are looking to rape on that too. part of me is hoping the players vote for it just because i want basketball but when i step back and look at the issues i am witnessing rape and hope the players bother to fight against the big bad owners.
So let's say you work for Microsoft. They have the right to prevent you from taking a job at Apple or Google?
Also, for the umptenth time, if you want an NFL style league it can't be financed solely by the players. The profit sharing amongst owners in the NFL absolutely is key and the NBA owners have it great compared to the NFL in that regard.
Buss will never spend that kind of penalty. No way.
Must be quite upsetting to realize that the Lakers would have to play on a level field for once.
Why can't they just have a in cap per team and that's what you can spend? All the contracts should be obsolete now anyway.... They should decertify, that would benefit everyone.
It's funny, they are arguing over money that the fans pay...tickets, concessions, parking, apparel, cable tv.....WTF? what if that goes away?
I think Lebron, Wade and that other ty player totally ed themselves and the owners are going to hand their asses to them...
Then you have Jordan saying them, give them 47 percent. , that's 3 to 400 million less than last year isn't it? That is awesome!
Look, the tickets, the parking, all the that goes with it is overpriced and inflated...they need to get this under control and get the entertainment back in the game.....the fans have already recognized this , when are the players going to?
Pop.
The thought is withering.
p's and q's, Seppe.
What do the Lakers have the Spurs haven't gotten? quit your ing...blame Pop and RDWIC for the ty pickups they have signed...
matt bonner....fire pop
How's your aunt?
With the Amnesty Clause can big market teams cut star players and resign them? Like Lakers do it with Kobe. Then resign him for 1 or 2mil. Kobe gets a little raise and the Lakers dont have to pay tax on his current deal but still pay him. Seems like it would either save a lot of teams money to do this or free up cap space for some teams. Aslong as the team knows the player would resign.
No way this could happen. With the last amnesty clause, the player couldn't re-sign with their former team, and I'm sure that's included in this one too.
I'm going to assume that the 4th luxury tax level is $3 for 1, not $3.25, because the above post says "For every $5 million after $20 million, the tax increases 50 cents: $3.50, $4, $4.50, etc.", but $3.50 is 50 cents more than $3.00, not $3.25.
Some numbers to chew on, then:
1) A team $20M over the tax will pay $43.75M in taxes. Last year's Lakers were almost exactly $20M over the tax, FYI.
2) For Bruno's "Lakers can afford to pay $50M in tax every year," they would only be able to go $21.79M above the tax and pay that $50M. If they stay above it for 3 of 5 years, they could only be $16.16M above the tax and still pay $50M in taxes.
3) The Lakers are projected to pay $54.6M in taxes next year if the tax level doesn't move.
(BTW, I used the Lakers for these examples because they had last season and will have this season the top payroll in the league pre-amnesty)
4) We'll see Cuban's true colors soon, because unless the Mavs amnesty Haywood, they won't be able to give Chandler $10M per season without hitting the tax. Even that would only leave them with 10 players.
5) The Heat are just $3M below the tax level, and will have to pay the tax to improve their team.
6) The Magic are $6M over the tax with only 10 players ($9.25M tax), and already $7M over for 2012-2013. They're going to really be hurting with this new system.
7) The Spurs are $4M into the tax right now with 13 players (including min salaries like Danny Green and Da'Sean Butler). Tim Duncan could do the team a huge favor by opting out and signing a longer contract for the same or more money. I still wonder what happened to that "stretch" provision, which would allow teams to extend cap hits over several years like in the NFL.
Overall, this tax system is extremely punitive and assures that owners barely willing to test that limit before, like Holt, will avoid it like the plague. Even rich owners can't stay above the tax too long unless they want to set money on fire.
I tend to side with the owners, but if I were a player and that D-League provision is true, I'm walking away immediately. It's ridiculous.
The deadline for Tim to exercise his early termination option was June 30th. He didn't exercise the option.
tbqh, I don't get how big market owners are not revolting too. You don't hear much of anything from the owner's side, but I can't think everybody is terribly happy with this deal either. Like Bruno said, this deal is extremely harsh not just on players, but also on big market teams.
It's lethal. The days of wine & roses is over.
Extremely harsh?
What's harsh is that middle class fans feel a multimillion dollar contract for playing ball is unfair for the athlete with only a HS education.
Also, it doesn't matter what kind of deal they agree on, teams will always find loopholes and exploit the out of them. Things won't change one iota.
I thought the league extended any deadlines that happened during the lockout to some time in the future. Wasn't the lockout in-place on June 30th?
June 30, 2011 was the last day of the previous CBA. The lockout began on July 1st.
Thanks for the clarification.
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