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a clueless, ignorant is like a gift that keep on giving, priceless ........ NOT !
The NBA is not a business. What it is is an organization of 30 independently owned firms which is the definition of a trust. LaGuardia and Clayton intentionally put the language in the Clayton Act about the exemption of labor in response to arguments better formulated but along the vein of what youare claiming.
You have no sense of history whatsoever. They did look at it. No firm is remotely getting run out of business. Its market fixing by firms to make sure there is no risk whatsoever for any firm.
a clueless, ignorant is like a gift that keep on giving, priceless ........ NOT !
My position hasn't changed, unions are a thing of the past. They accomplished what they were originally intended to establish in a form of federal labor laws and are now largely hindering many businesses. I'm not saying they are completely evil but there is no question that a business that doesn't deal with one can be much more successful than one that does, especially in a bad economy. I'm simply trying make a case to show that no matter what the law is, in principle my point is valid and therefore proves that the NBPA is responsible for the fact that we don't have a pro basketball season right now. Anti trust laws, just like any other law that deals with commerce and was established years ago (or as you Mel_13 would say "in a different reality") - before the emergency of a global economy need to be looked at again.
Sorry, I had to laugh. Your original position was that unions were a thing of the past and that the NBPA needs to get a clue. Now that you realize that the NBA absolutely needs the union in order to do business, you've moved on to wishing for a different reality where an rust laws are fundamentally changed.
Last chance. Here's where you say "I stand corrected".
Last edited by jabol130; 11-13-2011 at 12:12 AM.
That's a pretty strong statement, I don't think anyone has "no sense of history whatsoever". I don't know what the NBA is considered legally but I can't see much of a difference in the definition of this en y and the definition of what McDonalds or Sonic is with their multiple, independently owned franchises.
http://rightwingnews.com/unions/how-...illing-sports/
As you can see I'm not the only person using that analogy. You can say that a sports league is different in the sense that it inherently includes compe ion among its member teams, but don't confuse sports compe ion with financial compe ion. Under the current system they are completely tied to each and it may sound ridiculous to try to separate them but under total and complete profit sharing model its very easy to tell the difference. Profit sharing on the other hand could drive some owners to do a half ass job managing their teams. Can't solve all the problems at once, but there is no question changes are needed and I could not agree more with the author of the above article.
Great. You think unions are a thing of the past. Millions upon millions of working people disagree in an era of continually stagnant wages.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead and talk about compe ive advantage and keeping operating costs for corporations low and all that. Whatever. There's no use 'discussing' with a shill, much less someone quoting a site called 'rightwingnews'. C'mon, dude.
Actually, that article is factually wrong in multiple instances. Not only that, but it also fails to mention that the owners/league greatly benefit from the non-compete arrangement of negotiating with a union. But not surprised you bought right in it. lol rightwingnews.
Profit sharing already exists in the NBA. It's the worse in all professional leagues, but it's been there. It existed in the previous CBA and will continue to exists in the next CBA. You should post less and read more, tbh.
Not only you didn't prove anything, the reason there's no basketball right now it's entirely the owner's fault. This is a lockout, not a strike. Furthermore, as indicated ealier, owners have the right to hire temp talent and still run the league, so if you don't have games right now, it's strictly the owner's decision.
As far as changing the laws, well, feel free to call your do-nothing right wing congressman, and ask him if he has a minute to spare from making sure Barry is a one term president and can pass a law voiding the anti-trust laws.
Good luck with that. crofl.
So basically this dude thinks that other people should work at the wages they don't want to work for? SMH. How can some of you be so stupid?
But you don't understand. Brian Shapiro told him unions are bad!
An argument about the validity or relevance of a union is trivial at best. The NBA union is as weak as the NFL union except the NFL union is part of the most lucrative sports league in the world.
The NBA's union is in the same boat as the NHL union a few years ago and after their lockout, the league actually benefited from the lockout. I believe the NBA owners feel that the NHL lockout is a good plan - lockout the season, negotiate lower contracts, make teams more profitable and strengthen the product.
Face it - the NBA product has been weak for a while and players have often underperformed for their salaries. The overall product is weak and some house cleaning is in order.
The funny thing is that the fans still don't get it - it was never a battle between owners and players; it was always between owners and agents. The NBA needs to look at big brother (the NFL) towards direction on how to deal with agents and how to be profitable as a league. It's funny how a league that has so many players with an average career length much lower than the NBA yet is still able to be profitable and relevant without a strong union.
The product is not weak because of the contracts. Its weak because there are too many damn teams.
Some of you have some weird ass notions about this whole situation.
Yep, I figured someone would jump on the fact that this article was put on a politically conservative site. Google it and you'll see that's just one of many sites that quotes it. Believe it or not I am totally not right wing and tend to be much more liberal than conservative. I have a business background though and tend to see the bigger picture when it comes economy which is not easy to for an average working class person or a model democratic voter like you to seem to be able to grasp just like most ignorant Republicans can't see the big picture when it comes to the human impact on climate change for instance.
Last edited by jabol130; 11-13-2011 at 04:48 PM.
Just like poster above. Figures - jump on the first opportunity to label me even though you have no idea what i stand for. Arguing for the sake of making yourself believe you have won a and argument is pointless and the fact that you still don't see my point is evidence of your close mindedness.
Just as I said above - I have a business background and tend to see the bigger picture when it comes economy which apparently is not as easy for an average working class person or a model democratic voter to be able to grasp just like most ignorant Republicans can't see the big picture when it comes to the human impact on climate change for instance or how their clouded ideology regarding government involvement in many commercial and economic aspects is flawed.
Last edited by jabol130; 11-13-2011 at 04:54 PM.
At this point it's pretty clear that what you stand for doesn't exist.
You're not the only one with a business background, BTW.
I love onions tbh
Well, we can finally say that, at least for now, the NBA union is a thing of the past
i would actually argue that the product is weak because a severe lack of player development. The NBDL was a decent start but where NFL and MLB players get 3 or more years of development time the typical NBA player has much less.
They need a better farm system.
Are you really that obtuse? You cited rightwingnews.com. Its pretty ing obvious what you stand for. Youre a corporate shill.
As several sports writers have already said, the players should just organize their own league. They wouldn't even have to actually go through with it. Even if they got half way into figuring out the details and calling some arenas for availability, the owners would cave. Done deal.
you are priceless tbh
May I ask what is your business background ?
Media told you to say that.
some ballers have degrees, why do they need to hire hunter? lol
...Because they didn't end up losing over a quarter billion dollars a year.
A lot of corporate leadership is corrupt, misguided, and mismanaged. Which is why unions exist.
^Me & Juggs, Shoulder-to-Shoulder.
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