Pacquiao vs Marquez

[Cry Havoc]

Sure he was taking it easy, probably on the last 3 rounds, but by then the fight was decided..

A fight that close is decided with 3 rounds to go? Are you serious?

Have you ever seen someone that "clearly" won not raise his hand(s) ?

Ah, so fights are determined by who raises their hands at the end. Didn't know that. Stunning boxing insight.

That was the first time on a decision match that I've seen it with Manny, I have my opinion.. you guys have yours..

You haven't backed your opinion up with much yet, other than calling me out for not posting more about soccer.

[Sense]

A fight that close is decided with 3 rounds to go? Are you serious?



Ah, so fights are determined by who raises their hands at the end. Didn't know that. Stunning boxing insight.



You haven't backed your opinion up with much yet, other than calling me out for not posting more about soccer.

I wouldn't just base it on that, but like I said.. arguing with you is pointless, I was answering him.. had you asked that tell you what, you're right.. you and Manny win.

[itzsoweezee]

Sure he was taking it easy, probably on the last 3 rounds, but by then the fight was decided

LOL, wtf? You simply don't have a clue.

[TheMACHINE]

Sure he was taking it easy, probably on the last 3 rounds, but by then the fight was decided.. Manny was desperate to get a KO or he knew he was going to lose.. so that's what he tried to do in the end.. Marquez did enough to not give all the rounds to him.

All you have to do is look at the replay of the end of the fight, when Marquez raises his right hand.. and Manny just walks away to his corner..

Have you ever seen someone that "clearly" won not raise his hand(s) ?

That was the first time on a decision match that I've seen it with Manny, I have my opinion.. you guys have yours..

but I'll say it again, before the fight I thought Marquez had no chance.. I was wrong.

oh ..you just lost all credibility of your boxing knowledge with that statment.

Your statement alone admits that Manny won those last 3 rounds which could have easily tipped the score rounds. I hope you understand that the last 3 rounds is still 25% of the fight.

[Sense]

oh ..you just lost all credibility of your boxing knowledge with that statment.

Your statement alone admits that Manny won those last 3 rounds which could have easily tipped the score rounds. I hope you understand that the last 3 rounds is still 25% of the fight.

Read that paragraph again..

[Sense]

LOL, wtf? You simply don't have a clue.

Clearly, I don't... let me take a wild guess as to who you saw winning...





like I said, opinions aren't getting changed.. I'll just agree to disagree, you saw what you saw, I saw what I saw.. I'll be surprised if someone changed their opinions because of this thread.

[pawe]

All you have to do is look at the replay of the end of the fight, when Marquez raises his right hand.. and Manny just walks away to his corner..

Have you ever seen someone that "clearly" won not raise his hand(s) ?

He's humble not because he is really humble but because he grew up in a traditional region in the philippines where people feel inferior to foreigners. Yeah he just scored a ferrari but when caught off guard, you will see him show his inferiority complex...hence the non raising of the hands before the decision.

[pawe]

Stick to the naruto forums got.

[Tuddy]

Marquez fought not to lose the entire fight. He fought like a man who wanted to win by 2 points on the judges scorecard at the end. Like a man hoping for the tiniest of majority decisions.

If he's got Manny SO figured out, why not knock him out? Or at least knock him down? Why not hurt him repeatedly? Yeah. He didn't do any of those things. He didn't even TRY to do any of those things. He fought like a man who wanted not to lose.

If this was a basketball game, he would be the team crying about losing by 6 despite shooting 70% for the game because they only took shots from inside 10 feet the entire game.

He doesn't have him figured out but he naturally likes moving to his left because he has a strong left uppercut and roundhouse and at the same time moving away for Pac's straight or roundhouse left so his style is very suited to southpaw's, particularly ones like pac who don't have much of a right hand.

[Sense]

He's humble not because he is really humble but because he grew up in a traditional region in the philippines where people feel inferior to foreigners. Yeah he just scored a ferrari but when caught off guard, you will see him show his inferiority complex...hence the non raising of the hands before the decision.

is he just being humble?

[Cry Havoc]

is he just being humble?

So you DO determine who wins a fight on your card by who raises his hands at the end of the fight? I can see how that makes sense in your head given you apparently think 1/3rd of the fight doesn't matter on scorecards.

Of course Manny was disappointed and frustrated. He wanted to knock Marquez out tonight. He was pissed that Marquez wanted to play cat and mouse for 12 rounds instead of throwing down.

[LakerHater]

So you DO determine who wins a fight on your card by who raises his hands at the end of the fight? I can see how that makes sense in your head given you apparently think 1/3rd of the fight doesn't matter on scorecards.

Of course Manny was disappointed and frustrated. He wanted to knock Marquez out tonight. He was pissed that Marquez wanted to play cat and mouse for 12 rounds instead of throwing down.

WTF?!
JMM was the aggresser for most of, if not all of, the fight!

[Cry Havoc]

WTF?!
JMM was the aggresser for most of, if not all of, the fight!

Wow. You need to watch the fight again. Or maybe have a basic understanding of boxing. JMM was the aggressor yet constantly backing up? JMM was the aggressor yet threw 140 FEWER punches than Pacquiao and landed 40 fewer total? Does any of that make sense to you?

Go back. And watch the fight again. JMM was about as reactive as a fighter could be. With the exception of 3-4 times in the entire fight he never initiated a single trading of punches.

[pawe]

WTF?!
JMM was the aggresser for most of, if not all of, the fight!

He wont do jack unless pacman moves in. His entire gameplan relies heavily on how pacman attacks him. He's a counterpuncher you know.

[Sense]

So you DO determine who wins a fight on your card by who raises his hands at the end of the fight? I can see how that makes sense in your head given you apparently think 1/3rd of the fight doesn't matter on scorecards.

Of course Manny was disappointed and frustrated. He wanted to knock Marquez out tonight. He was pissed that Marquez wanted to play cat and mouse for 12 rounds instead of throwing down.

Sorry you had to butt in again, I just asked pawe if he was being humble then, I didn't quite catch it..

but sorry to disappoint you, you already won

[LakerHater]

He wont do jack unless pacman moves in. His entire gameplan relies heavily on how pacman attacks him. He's a counterpuncher you know.

Thats what Im talking about, counter punchers dont usually attack, everytime Pacuiao moved in & threw JMM countered!

[pawe]

Sorry you had to butt in again, I just asked pawe if he was being humble then, I didn't quite catch it..

but sorry to disappoint you, you already won

Humble probably was the wrong word. And I really dont have a word for his demeanor but he is a guy who grew up in the provinces and is not flamboyant enough to raise his hand while the outcome is not yet known. Watch the pacman jmm 2 ending and you'll notice he got suckered into raising his hands when jmm did it. He looked awkward.

[pawe]

Again, stick to the naruto forum, got.

[Cry Havoc]

Cry Havoc, the video gamer and resident geek thinks his opinion matters. The entire boxing world knows Marquez got robbed.

lakaluva talking again in a forum where he was discovered trying to impersonate a large black man.

[Cry Havoc]

Cry Havoc, the video gamer and resident geek thinks his opinion matters. The entire boxing world knows Marquez got robbed.

Lakaluva thinks HIS or anyone else's opinion matters. 116-112 114-114 115-113 is what matters, Naruto.

[baseline bum]

116-112 was a complete disgrace.

[Cry Havoc]

116-112 was a complete disgrace.

There were 3 clear rounds for Manny in that fight and 3 clear rounds for Marquez. Everything else was up to interpretation. 116-112 is still a damn close fight, which it was.

I had it a draw, but I could see 116-112 for either fighter with no problems. That's the definition of a close fight. Watch it again.

[Venti Quattro]

Manny didn't deserve to winPERIOD

He's so distracted with all the hoopla around him. Politics, showbiz, endorsements, impregnating chicks. He can't even focus on boxing and he's fighting someone who caves in the jungle to train. He needs to clean house and set his priorities before somebody does it for him in the ring.

[TheMACHINE]

He didn't deserve to win cuz he fought a boxer who always gave him trouble? Sorry, I don't follow that logic buddy.

[Venti Quattro]

Marquez gave him trouble in the past but it was clear that Manny had the edge. That was clear even though it went the distance. This time, Manny made Marquez look like he was still in his prime. He was lucky to eke out this win.

Scrah you're starting to sound like a Filipino politician -- full of excuses.