Resuming CBA talks

[ElNono]

I'll give you debatable. But it's much closer to good-faith bargaining than saying it, we'll see you in court.

No doubt this is . Owners can't say they were not aware of this option going in though.

[ElNono]

Meanwhile, Spurs fans might as well go ahead and say goodbye to Tim Duncan. Even if he comes back on a new contract in 2012-2013, he'll just be another year older and slower.

On the other hand... if contracts are indeed declared null and void, we just jettisoned RJ and Bonner!!!! Yay!!!!

[Duncan2177]

the players...All a bunch of babies...Thanks Players for complaining about millions of dollars when there are millions of people struggling to live in america. Is 4 Million average salary not enough? I mean come on and get real. The economy sucks just live with it for now. You can revisit the deal when it expires next and america isn't in the crapper. Don't forget without the fans there is NO NBA PLAYERS. NO SALARY. NO NOTHING. So thanks for screwing the fans(your paychecks) over. Like I said BUNCH OF SPOILED BRATS and you just lost a devoted FAN as well as I'm sure you losing them by the minute.

[DPG21920]

Yes, from a selfish standpoint, Duncan going out like this hurts me the most. Holt did Tim so wrong.

[lefty]

WTF seriously

[vy65]

Not true. The union is no more. They filed to change into a trade association. Exactly the same that happens after decertification.

While the union no longer has the power to bind all players, saying it "is no more" is incorrect.

With decertification, the union, as an en y, no longer exists. Changing into a trade association is the way non-exclusivity is obtained. The league can still negotiate with the NBPA now, but the NBPA no longer has the exclusive right to bargain on behalf of the players.

You're skipping the "as a negotiation tactic". There's no longer a negotiation taking place, since there's no union to negotiate with. Stern already said that even if they were to have a better proposal, they have nobody to present it to.

Think of the argument more along these lines:

Keep in mind, the NFLPA's decertification is not a settled matter. The NFL has filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board claiming that the NFLPA only wanted to decertify in order to pave the door for an rust litigation. The league insists the NFLPA never wanted to reach a new collective bargaining agreement. In labor law terms, the league contends that the NFLPA refused to bargain in good faith and thus violated Section 8(b)(3) of the National Labor Relations Act.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1diMpMWVa

[lefty]

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO



I wont miss the NBA one bit


It has a become a watered down, rigged, controled, pussyfied league









YEahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh




And FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Stern

[boutons_deux]

"Is 4 Million average salary not enough"

that's stupid framing, comparing NBA salaries to the 99%.

This is a battle about BRI between 1% owners and 1% players.

[vy65]

For the record - I'm not saying the league's argument is good. Just that the threat of something like decertification and litigation can no longer be called thin.

[Brazil]

Yes, from a selfish standpoint, Duncan going out like this hurts me the most. Holt did Tim so wrong.

I just moved to the US I was looking for watching a lot of games and having the opportunity to see my spurs and Tim a lot



I'm just pissed off right now

[lefty]

I just moved to the US I was looking for watching a lot of games and having the opportunity to see my spurs and Tim a lot



I'm just pissed off right now

I've been to NBA games

Nananananaereu

[Dex]

For the record - I'm not saying the league's argument is good. Just that the threat of something like decertification and litigation can no longer be called thin.

netw3rk netw3rk
"It's my way or the highway" "I guess I'll take the highway" "That's a bad negotiating tactic" "It's 1 of the 2 you gave me" "...."

[ElNono]

While the union no longer has the power to bind all players, saying it "is no more" is incorrect.

With decertification, the union, as an en y, no longer exists. Changing into a trade association is the way non-exclusivity is obtained. The league can still negotiate with the NBPA now, but the NBPA no longer has the exclusive right to bargain on behalf of the players.

Which is why the league no longer has the anti-trust protections that are only exempted when bargaining with a union. Legally speaking, the union is no more. Now it's a trade association. While the NBA can still negotiate with them, I'm pretty sure whatever agreement takes place will include a clause that states that the trade association will file to become a union again before the agreement takes place.

Think of the argument more along these lines:

Keep in mind, the NFLPA's decertification is not a settled matter. The NFL has filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board claiming that the NFLPA only wanted to decertify in order to pave the door for an rust litigation. The league insists the NFLPA never wanted to reach a new collective bargaining agreement. In labor law terms, the league contends that the NFLPA refused to bargain in good faith and thus violated Section 8(b)(3) of the National Labor Relations Act.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1diMpMWVa

And I think this is exactly why Hunter wasted the last couple of months at the bargaining table, unlike the NFLPA which did no such thing. It's going to be very problematic for the NBA to claim that the union didn't want to negotiate in good faith after the past two month's song and dance.

For the record - I'm not saying the league's argument is good. Just that the threat of something like decertification and litigation can no longer be called thin.

I just think you can't leave out the "as a negotiating tactic" from it. This is a cluster now though, that courts will have to shuffle over and determine.

There's no certainties from here on out, for either side.

[ElNono]

This can't be said enough, tbh...

uneducated and ignorant players. "give me give me give me" at ude!

hey Melo ... hey D-Rose .... I know you brothas can afford to put on a $10,000 suit and stand up there like you're someone and act as if you have a clue as to how the business end of the NBA works, but lets see you try and read a book or maybe even just speak proper English?....... but dawg we be doing what is right for the game dawg. we tryin to grow da game of basketball and dey holding it back by not breaking us off some more paper!

[ElNono]

Players' new legal leaders speak

[ElNono]

Well, we officially have a free-market league now... Let's see owners start to hire players individually...

[Brazil]

I've been to NBA games

Nananananaereu

me too but it was an unique opportunity to see as many as I want

[lefty]

me too but it was an unique opportunity to see as many as I want

Yep

Dont worry, next year you will

[ElNono]

Kessler: If you look at it from a player's standpoint, collective bargaining has totally failed. So rather than exercise their labor law rights to futility, they've decided to free up all players to exert their an rust rights to triple damages. And we think -- not we, the players -- think that is the best protection for NBA players going forward.

I can hear Stern shrieking from here...

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Let's see the NBA play with a bunch of scrub replacement players. I hope they hold auditions, so everyone on Spurstalk can go try out for a team!

[baseline bum]

F*ck the owners. They got their 50% and they were about to get a lot of sytem issues in their favor. They just had to agree on 2 or 3 system issues

They felt they could have even more and made almost no concession. No way the players could have agreed to take it this hard because the owners would have continued the same way for the next CBA in 6 years

LOL, who couldn't see the bait and switch from the owners coming from a mile away?

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

DPG - PG
El Nono - SG
BR Hornet - SF
Lefty - PF
Koolaid Man - C

[lefty]

DPG - PG
El Nono - SG
BR Hornet - SF
Lefty - PF
Koolaid Man - C

WTF

Im not be big enough to play PG

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size
of the fight in the dog!

[Dex]

LOL, who couldn't see the bait and switch from the owners coming from a mile away?

, half the owners probably wanted the lockout. If they were losing money over the past years, no season actually SAVES them money. The players just better hope this litigation doesn't backfire on them, because everyone knows the owners are going to win at the Waiting Game.