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    Doesn't sound like a lot of the public has been able to use the park in the past couple of months.
    Let's determine the logical probability of that statement.

    You're implying that the park is so full of protestors, that other people haven't been able to use it.

    That implies that before the protestors used it, it was less full, ie. used by less people.

    Given that the protestors are members of the public, we can safelty assume that the very fact that the protestors are using it 24/7, and the park is full, undermines your own hypothesis.

    This better?

    Doesn't sound like a lot of the law-abiding public has been able to use the park in the past couple of months.

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    So people can't camp overnight on private property now? I can't go in my backyard and set up a tent for my kids to have a "campout"?
    You are smarter than that.

    You are perfectly free to camp on YOUR private property.

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    Well, they can evict people (of any race), if they act like this:

    Those people are committing a violent crime...and not simply the crime of being black, unemployed, or a hippie college student that doesn't shower regularly.

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    Those people are committing a violent crime...and not simply the crime of being black, unemployed, or a hippie college student that doesn't shower regularly.
    There haven't been any violent crimes at the "occupy" camps?

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    Since apparently you can't read:

    The park is privately owned FOR public use. It was agreed when the company took ownership that the public would have 24/7 access to the park. It is not private property in the sense that they cannot say the public cannot use it. This is why even though it's "private" it was open to anyone prior to and during OWS.

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    There haven't been any violent crimes at the "occupy" camps?
    So if a corporate executive (or a janitor even) commits a crime in a commercial building, we can pull everyone out of that building and arrest them on the basis of housing violent crime?

    Got it. You make a ton of sense.

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    Since apparently you can't read:

    The park is privately owned FOR public use. It was agreed when the company took ownership that the public would have 24/7 access to the park. It is not private property in the sense that they cannot say the public cannot use it. This is why even though it's "private" it was open to anyone prior to and during OWS.

    Nice font

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    The park is privately owned FOR public use. It was agreed when the company took ownership that the public would have 24/7 access to the park. It is not private property in the sense that they cannot say the public cannot use it. This is why even though it's "private" it was open to anyone prior to OWS.
    I was using that statement as a rebuttal to CC's idea that they could create an ordinance that barred people from camping overnight on private property.

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    So if a corporate executive (or a janitor even) commits a crime in a commercial building, we can pull everyone out of that building and arrest them on the basis of housing violent crime?

    Got it. You make a ton of sense.

    Can riot police clear public areas of an unruly mob?

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    You are smarter than that.

    You are perfectly free to camp on YOUR private property.
    So my kid can't go over a friend's house and go camping on his property?

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    How many of the Occupy movement people have committed crimes? Do you have a percentage?

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    There haven't been any violent crimes at the "occupy" camps?
    From what the MSM tells me, only the cops are getting violent.

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    Can riot police clear public areas of an unruly mob?
    One or two people committing a crime while 99.99% of the people in attendance following laws cons utes an unruly mob? How is that different from one person in an office building breaking a law?

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    Interesting.

    I only skimmed this thread, but it appears the Judge will be heading for a Bar hearing, or whatever disciplinary hearings judges go to.

    The owner of the park has the right to control his property, and wanted the eviction. It is a private park, not public.

    Is the agreement written in stone for 24/7 access?

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    One or two people committing a crime while 99.99% of the people in attendance following laws cons utes an unruly mob? How is that different from one person in an office building breaking a law?

    Srsly?

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    Nitpicking.

    Based on the actions of a few you've characterized the entire crowd as an unruly lawbreaking mob. That much is accurate, Darrin.

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    Do you have a source or statistics for what you're saying? Otherwise, the comparison is valid.

    Way to ignore the other comments/questions in the thread though.

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    Looks like the judge ruled the city had the right to enforce the no camping rules: https://www.do entcloud.org/do e...r-of-city.html

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    Nitpicking.

    Based on the actions of a few you've characterized the entire crowd as an unruly lawbreaking mob. That much is accurate, Darrin.

    I don't think ALL of them are criminals. But the thing about left-wing protests -- they tend to attract left-wing nuts.



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    Arrest the vandals, then. No need to sweep the whole crowd off the street. Peaceful protesters deserve protection from the criminal actions of a few as much as anyone else.

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    How about the meaning of the message Darrin? Do you have some deep insights on that as well?

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    Unlike Fuzzy Lumpkins who lives with his parents and considers himself morally superior to those of us that work and pay taxes.
    You can make up about me all you want. I definitely think that I am more ethically consistent than you as i do not rail against the use of taxes and then do what you specifically find fault in by getting a ing golf cart.

    Its typical of your generation. Hypocrisy and greed.

    Morality denotes that there is some arbiter of good and I do not buy that at all. Keep reaching though bucko.

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    You really think the city council isn't fed up with their ?
    You should pay attention to what the NYC councilpeople are actually saying. You obviously have no clue.

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