Congress pushes back on healthier school lunches

[Drachen]

I'm waiting for the first "fried pizza" menu item. The noose will have officially closed around our collective heads.

Oh, you went to the TX state fair too?

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh, you went to the TX state fair too?

Chicken fried pizza ftw!

[TeyshaBlue]

I am not saying that boutons is correct here (I don't know), but I do know that it is pretty easy to drop weight if you change your diet. I made very minor (but sustainable) changes in my diet last december when I was 250, in early march I was 217.

Yeah..I dropped 25 by diet alone. Then I started working out 3x week and treadmill every night. Ive gone from 315 to 254...and still dropping. The 25 took 2 months. The rest....a bit over 3. I knew the first 20 or so would be easy, but my trainer (VRWC!) apparently never read any studies and put my lard ass to work.

[boutons_deux]

(under) eat real food (slightly) to lose weight, eat real food to maintain lean weight

exercise to be fit.

People who want to lose are always faced with obstacle of intense exercise as well under eating. It's bogus block. Undereating is sufficient to lose weight.

You will of course lose more weight if you burn a couple 100 more calories with exercise. Fantastic, highly recommended to be fit, but it's not necessary to lose weight.

Over the long run (your life), you'll have more success and better health through nutrition than with the often-very-difficult-to-maintain regular exercise. And trying to lose weight with exercise alone with no change in nutrition is really stupid.

Certainly BigFood has spent $10s of millions engineering their crap over the decades to be delicious, mouth-pleasing , but it's still . The more of their you eat, the sicker you get, the richer they get. It's The American Way.

[TeyshaBlue]

(under) eat real food (slightly) to lose weight, eat real food to maintain lean weight

exercise to be fit.

People who want to lose are always faced with obstacle of intense exercise as well under eating. It's bogus block. Undereating is sufficient to lose weight.

You will of course lose more weight if you burn a couple 100 more calories with exercise. Fantastic, highly recommended to be fit, but it's not necessary to lose weight.

Over the long run (your life), you'll have more success and better health through nutrition than with the often-very-difficult-to-maintain regular exercise. And trying to lose weight with exercise alone with no change in nutrition is really stupid.

Certainly BigFood has spent $10s of millions engineering their crap over the decades to be delicious, mouth-pleasing , but it's still . The more of their you eat, the sicker you get, the richer they get. It's The American Way.

Again, you are demonstrably wrong.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/45...r-weight-loss/

The emphasis on metabolic changes between the two methods is the kicker.

[boutons_deux]

'Just go to the nearest military base, bot for your "study"."

I lost a lot of weight in 6 weeks of ROTC summer camp. I lost a lot of weight in football August 2-a-day practices.

How many non-military, non-team-sport greasebags are going to do that level of exercise every day to lose weight and keep it off? zero. That's my point.

yes, adjust one's diet slightly and with quality food (which is probably dramatic for the greasebags who stuff themselves full of 24/x7), and you can lose weight steadily. I lost 50 pounds in 12 months 5 years ago, without ANY exercise, and it's still gone. 1 pound per week, very easy, very sustainable.

[Drachen]

(under) eat real food (slightly) to lose weight, eat real food to maintain lean weight

exercise to be fit.

People who want to lose are always faced with obstacle of intense exercise as well under eating. It's bogus block. Undereating is sufficient to lose weight.

You will of course lose more weight if you burn a couple 100 more calories with exercise. Fantastic, highly recommended to be fit, but it's not necessary to lose weight.

Over the long run (your life), you'll have more success and better health through nutrition than with the often-very-difficult-to-maintain regular exercise. And trying to lose weight with exercise alone with no change in nutrition is really stupid.

Certainly BigFood has spent $10s of millions engineering their crap over the decades to be delicious, mouth-pleasing , but it's still . The more of their you eat, the sicker you get, the richer they get. It's The American Way.

Anecdotal only, I realize, but my grandfather was extremely fit and ate the out of some food (he was actually really pretty fat when he started running for exercise back in 75). He was thin, fit and was always in good health, but loved gravy, and briskets, etc.

Your argument (other than being anecdotal) can be that he ate real food instead of processed. Also, he ran a lot. He was a marathon runner and was consitantly setting Texas records for being the fastest person in his age group. (I remember he did 3:10 at 67 for example). Anyway, take it for what its worth. The guy was a blimp, didn't change his eating habits and became probably the healthiest guy I have known.

[boutons_deux]

Metabolism can be transformed from greaebag diseased to extremely healthy through nutrition alone.

I'm not against exercise, it's just not a reliable, efficient way for the everyday greasebag to lose weight and keep off weight. In fact, many people absolutely detest just the thought of punishing themselves with exercise, going to gym, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

Metabolism can be transformed from greaebag diseased to extremely healthy through nutrition alone.

I'm not against exercise, it's just not a reliable, efficient way for the everyday greasebag to lose weight and keep off weight. In fact, many people absolutely detest just the thought of punishing themselves with exercise, going to gym, etc.

Its still the best long term solution...diet + exercise.

[Agloco]

noose closed

smh........

[Agloco]

Oh, you went to the TX state fair too?

I saw the Fried Cheeseburger, but missed the pizza. I remember when Bennigans served the Monte Cristo....... yikes.

[Agloco]

The same logic can be used to say that there's no "torture" being done, it's just loud music being played, and lights being left on, and anyways, don't college kids haze each other? And THAT'S not torture! Heck, so they keep them awake, I remember I once had to stay awake for 3 days straight to study for a final!

While the damage caused might be greater for an entire generation, it won't envisit the same amount of trauma/abuse that child rape assuredly will.

How many raped kids do you think it would take to equal the damage that junk food in school lunches would cause? 100? 1000? Just wondering how much you equate child rape with abuse opposed to junk food.

Agree.

They're both physical and psychological abuse. The metrics used to gauge the severity of each transgression are quite different however. By that, it's an apples and oranges discussion.

I think any attempt to equate these two issues is futile.

[LnGrrrR]

Agree.

They're both physical and psychological abuse. The metrics used to gauge the severity of each transgression are quite different however. By that, it's an apples and oranges discussion.

I think any attempt to equate these two issues is futile.

Which brings us back to my original point, in which I (bizarrely) agreed with DarrinS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The same logic can be used to say that there's no "torture" being done, it's just loud music being played, and lights being left on, and anyways, don't college kids haze each other? And THAT'S not torture! Heck, so they keep them awake, I remember I once had to stay awake for 3 days straight to study for a final!

While the damage caused might be greater for an entire generation, it won't envisit the same amount of trauma/abuse that child rape assuredly will.

How many raped kids do you think it would take to equal the damage that junk food in school lunches would cause? 100? 1000? Just wondering how much you equate child rape with abuse opposed to junk food.

I am not trying for a specific quan y as its a pointless endeavor as we both well know. My point is that its a travesty that its allowed to happen to entire generations of American children just as its a travesty what was done by whatever rapist. Which was worse is besides the point. There is no excuse for either.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Wild Cobra]

I dunno Darrin, you tell me. You seem to be quite out of touch with reality:

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/child_obesity/

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And:

http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/projects/cda2.htm

Thing is, kids don't have the same open areas to run and play any longer. How many cities have "Urban Growth Boundaries" today? Also, instead of playing outside, they now have DVD's, X-Boxes, computers, etc. that were not around during past times. As technology grew, and kids became couch potatoes, they gained weight.

Sorry, I will not blame one meal. Parents can refuse the school lunch for the kids and pack them a lunch if they are concerned.

Do you like the Nanny state?

[Wild Cobra]

This is demonstrably false.

I'll bet he does only the 12 oz curls.

[vy65]

'Just go to the nearest military base, bot for your "study"."

I lost a lot of weight in 6 weeks of ROTC summer camp. I lost a lot of weight in football August 2-a-day practices.

How many non-military, non-team-sport greasebags are going to do that level of exercise every day to lose weight and keep it off? zero. That's my point.

yes, adjust one's diet slightly and with quality food (which is probably dramatic for the greasebags who stuff themselves full of 24/x7), and you can lose weight steadily. I lost 50 pounds in 12 months 5 years ago, without ANY exercise, and it's still gone. 1 pound per week, very easy, very sustainable.

It all makes sense now.

[LnGrrrR]

I am not trying for a specific quan y as its a pointless endeavor as we both well know. My point is that its a travesty that its allowed to happen to entire generations of American children just as its a travesty what was done by whatever rapist. Which was worse is besides the point. There is no excuse for either.

Which is worse surely is a point. Because, to most people, comparing feeding junk food to children and trying to put it on the same level of abuse as child rape is offensive. If you've ever worked with people that have been through something like that, you might agree.

[boutons_deux]

what makes sense?

[lefty]

Its still the best long term solution...diet + exercise.

Yup

Although it's said that nutrition accounts for 70-75% of the results, it's ideal to combine diet and exercise

The good thing is that - if you eat healthy - you don't have to go to the gym 5 days a week

I've achieved great results with healthy diet + going to the gym 2-3 times a week only

[vy65]

Which is worse surely is a point. Because, to most people, comparing feeding junk food to children and trying to put it on the same level of abuse as child rape is offensive. If you've ever worked with people that have been through something like that, you might agree.

Comparing different types of suffering is a fools task. That said, anyone who tries to draw a parallel between, much less analogize, eating poorly with sexual abuse should be molested then given a McRib and asked if they're similar.

[vy65]

what makes sense?

That you're an agent provocateur for the VRWC - specifically the MIC.