I'm not optimistic or pessimistic about a deal being reached next week. I'm just saying that owners and players were really close to an agreement a week ago. There is little work to do to go from a CBA that was agreed at 95% to a fully agreed CBA. I don't have a clue whether or not they will make the effort to solve these 5%.
Nope. adrian worhjahowski already said earlier in the day stern is gonna wait for hunter to call him(its like these guys are teens in love during puberty) and that there wont likel be talk before thanksgiving. why is that date important? if they dont do something by thanksgiving it all but ends the chirstmas day as the day the season could begin.
Hunter is no longer representing the union, he won't be calling Stern unless it's to go out for a pizza or something.
Bingo. The Spurs for example have been playing hanky panky with various vendors and outlets for years.
If the NBA tries to justify the lockout with "we are losing money" then the first thing that will happen is the union will dispute that the teams individual tax returns are the total of their income. All of the deals with vendors, parking lots, concesssions etc that have exhibited the creative accounting will be called into question.
In a regular negotiation, the owners can say the argument that was parroted by db that "if its good enough for the IRS then its good enough for you" and get away with it because they cannot be compelled to do . The court OTOH has far more power.
If the court is willing to entertain the argument then the NBA cannot just refuse to comply. Its a courtroom and who knows what will happen but to say that its not a clear risk by going down that road then they have very poor representation.
Maybe the owners have nothing to hide and do not want closer scrutiny on their financials but the moment they go down that track then they can be rebutted.
I absolutely doubt Hunter will be making any calls to Stern unless the NBA case in NY is dismissed. I know owners don't want to talk to the lawyers, but I don't think there's any other road right now.
Basically.DITTO! I agree.
but he is in the group of 4 lawyers. its better him than kessler. if he calls stern will just hang up. and yeah nobody is calling anyone before that pending suit. the owners will want the players to come back crawling in mid december see if they make it happen for another 50 game season.
I'm hoping Boies will earn his keep and do the talking for the players from here on out. There's not as much bad blood between him and Stern as Kessler and Hunter. I know it's being optimistic, but I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail.
Let's see how many big houses and boats go up for sale from these guys in the next few months. Many of them are living paycheck to paycheck, hard as that is to believe.
So there is still BRI right now, from merchandise and such. Do the owners get this and the players get squat?
Ding, ding, ding. If you're buying merchandise, or watching NBAtv, you're de facto supporting the owners.
Just give up already and accept that the season is probably lost. It sucks but that's just they way it is. The NBA is going to be screwed for a couple of years. The players, owners, and Stern brought this on themselves. Greed, arrogance, and stupidity are what the players, owners, and Stern have. They have caused this . They need to be adults about it and own up and accept responsibility and try to come up with a solution.
I don't even think a 50 game season is possible anymore. I would say if there was a season, it would be 30 to 40 games but like I said earlier, who will watch?
I needed a year break from basketball anyways. Will make it more fresh when it comes back.
Letter: Head of NBA coaches group urges labor 'truce'
Muted by the threat of heavy fines for voicing their opinions or even having contact with players, NBA coaches largely have been kept out of the fray in the league's increasingly bitter labor dispute.But that changed a little Sunday when the head of the NBA Coaches Association urged the owners and the players to return to the bargaining table and salvage what's left of the 2011-12 season."I'm urging this call for an immediate return to discussions by the parties," Michael Goldberg, executive director of the association wrote in an open letter released to the media Sunday. "The upcoming NBA season must be saved. To do otherwise will cause a self-inflicted economic blow to an enterprise that over the years through the hard work of players, team owners and the League Office has become a great global brand, but, like every business operating in today's fragile economic landscape, one that is more susceptible to 'decline and fall.' "Goldberg served as general counsel to the American Basketball Association beginning in 1973. In 1978, he was appointed to his current post with the NBA Coaches Association, which represent head and assistant coaches as well as alumni But Goldberg said he was not representing the coaches with his letter. Instead he was expressing his individual concerns about the lockout, which reached its 143rd day Sunday."There is no time to waste," Goldberg wrote. "History has proven that all sports labor conflicts are ultimately solved. No doubt all sides are concerned about their financial well-being and rightly so. But everyone involved must now think beyond their own interests, check out the daily financial headlines, and work towards a negotiated solution now."Short of this all parties will risk killing the goose that lays so many golden eggs for so many connected with it."
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...bor/index.html
If Goldberg's plea doesn't move them , then nothing willl.
when i lose all of my salary for this season i'll make it up in the other seasons.
NBA players pull lawsuit in California
NEW YORK -- NBA players have withdrawn one of their lawsuits against the league but could resubmit it.
A filing made Monday in the Northern District of California asked that the suit be "discontinued, without prejudice."
Locked-out players filed class-action an rust lawsuits against the league last Tuesday in California and Minnesota. Plaintiffs in the California suit included Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant.
The players' representatives planned a news conference later Monday.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/72...gue-california
What's the meaning of that?
More time wasted.
Supposedly, they feel the case will move faster in Minnesota, so they moved both lawsuits there.... here's the story (AP, so link only).
NBA players move case to Minnesota
More here:
N.B.A. Players Merge Lawsuits
I am not an attorney so take what I say with a grain of salt. This does make sense to me however.
They withdrew the filing from California and moved it to Minnesota. Now I am not completely sure and a quick google search resulted in no information one way or anther but I imagine it is being filed in Susan Nelson's Minnesota court which is the exact same place the NFLPA sued the NFL.
If that is indeed the case then it means a couple of things. Its the same year, with the same judges. They know that Nelson will find the lockout illegal because she issued an immediate injunction for the NFL. Her appeals court came back and said she did not have the authority because they ruled a specific injunction exemption worked for owners too. They however did not say that the case did not have merit beyond to say the evidence of harm needed more information. They asked for specific information.
The game plan is already laid out.
Now the players are trying to sue in the same place. They know that Judge Nelson will likely rule against the lockout and they know that the appellate court will not allow for an injunction. More importantly they know what those appellate judges want to meet their burden.
Essentially what it means is that in 6 months or less Judge Nelson can actually rule on the case and order the NBA to cease and desist the lockout and the appeals court just has to agree that they violate an rust laws and not the back half within 12 months.
Its a slow process for certain but come May once the initial trial is over, the lockout could be over and the NBA in the same spot the NFL was in 1988.
The NBA is going to fight like to get everything moved over to NY and they are going to fail for the same reason that all patent cases end up getting moved out to East Texas. Sports labor law is Minnesota's expertise and has been the place for pretty much all the precedents for the last 30 years.
^^^ Basically, it's a venue move much like you assert. The NBAPA isn't requesting an injunction though.
Given that venue its a waste of time. They are including the lockout in the complaint though. Cease and desist. I am so disgusted with NBA ownership right now. I really hope Kessler and Boies take them to the woodshed.
I wonder who would be the first team to start signing players at that point. I am guessing the guy in NJ will lay out fat stacks if allowed.
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