the illegals are a net drain on the working class and a net gain for the rich, they contribute to this widening gap of wealth distribution. also, mexicans are some of the most racist people on earth and openly scoff whites and america in general, while still feeding off the safety of the white man's tee tee. So a mix of moral and economic grounds yes.
Again, you are missing the point of including realism in your idea. "Actually enforce it" are easy words to say, but not easy to actually do. And enforcing selectively is unlikely to result in an effective deterrent (since it hasn't with any of our other laws).
Evidence?
Are they really?they contribute to this widening gap of wealth distribution. also, mexicans are some of the most racist people on earth and openly scoff whites and america in general, while still feeding off the safety of the white man's tee tee. So a mix of moral and economic grounds yes.
That's where your wrong. Your average middle to upper class white employer does NOT want to get locked up for a felony to get railed in the butt by Tyrone and Jamal. Ever been to a bar? You should see the way they step up their enforcement of the rules and freak out whenever they think an inspector is supposed to be coming by soon. Surely this issue is a little bigger than checking for ID's and like that, I'm pretty sure they could manage if they really WANTED to. Key word, want to.
I own a bar. We see the enforcement guys like once every 2 years. You greatly overestimate the government's ability to enforce things.
How much do you think it would cost to implement your plan?
In any event, I'll play a long in saying that your plan could be implemented and enforced - but I question the premise of "why".
Can you back up your purported economic justification? I don't think you can, but I'll give you the opportunity. If you can't, then your argument hinges around the idea that "Mexicans are racist".
Without getting too deep into economic theory, illegal immigration lowers wages by artificially increasing the supply in the market for labor. Whites are forced to either A) get a college degree (which the student loan bubble is growing more and more by the day, only so many of those jobs are needed as well and even graduates can't find jobs right now) or B) work for unlivable wages. And it hurts the economy as a whole too, because low unemployment and a healthy middle class is the backbone of a healthy economy.
I think you should get deep into economic theory, because you have some serious flaws in your oversimplification, the first of which being your apparent assumption that labor is fungible. You also ignore critical labor demographics in your oversimplification.
And your focus on "whites" doesn't really help your credibility either.
That's what your problem is. Evading the whole economic theory or nature of this.
So once we get rid of of all the undo ented people, what happens..does everyone get a job? Does the obvious budget and economic issues, including that of baby boomer retirement go away?
population facts:
there was a 20+ to 1 worker to retiree ratio 50 years ago
it will be 2 to 1 soon, over 10 fold less paying in than extracting. That's a pretty big discrepancy to place on our children.
Australia countered this by allowing massive waves of immigration, now their workforce is 25% foreign born.
They have had no:
no housing/financial crash
no retirement/pension cuts
no high unemployment
no schooling cuts
So does your solution include some additional magic? Because at this current rate a lot of young college graduates would rather work overseas than barely making ends meat given that burden here.
And how exactly do u figure that illegal immigrants making wages and getting paid mostly in cash are major contributors to SS?? There aren't any jobs here for the people that we DO have, so how is letting a bunch of people going to help If there are no jobs for them dumbass.
Would be** major contributors
I like how you avoid the question by asking one of your own, Mr. Final Solution.
Right now, their contribution is next to zero since they aren't payroll taxed in any legitimate terms so pretty much any legalization and tax above zero is an increase "dumbass" .
SS taxes are capped at 106k of taxable income. The contribution to SS relative to another is not that great, rather minimal, numbers matter more than income. Millionaires, billionaires, etc only contribute as if they earned 102k and get back comparable to what they put in.....for now. And this isn't just about SS
This whole point about this article, several posts including mine is that it's not just social security. It's meeting the consumer demand of the economy in general terms. Right now as it stands, China is taking those dollars and keeping them.
Of course, we could just continue to import cheap crap from Asia and send our dollars over there, which don't come back.Then of course we can expect you to post more stupid BS about how China is passing the US up.
Head in the sand as usual.
The conversation can begin whenever you tell us where the jobs are going to come from for all these people you want to legalize and the others you want to bring in. You blab about your little 2 to 1 ratios but fail to realize that lack of workers isn't the problem, lack of JOBS is. Why bring more people over to join the unemployment line? What we need is to lure some of the brightest students and professionals over here and convince THEM to stay, not just an open door policy.
Is this your example of getting deep into economic theory? Because you're failing, miserably.
joining the unemployment line while taking our jobs
damn immigrants took our jobs and our welfare.
No this is your example of pro b3aner theory because Gingrich and others told you it was cool and progressive.
Cool story brah.
Amnesty will cost US tax payers at least 2.6 trillion
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...st-26-trillion
I know how to create the jobs, but my inquiry was not about that. You have to make the US market only work more for domestic labor, whether it be by law, stimulus or opening up restrictions (which many conservatives favor, even if they are temporary fixes). Some of them will likely be crappy jobs, but atleast that money will stay here and reduce outsourcing as it has been going for decades.
The point of it all, was that what happens if you don't have a proper amount of workers? There is only so much that can be done. We need the economy to grow... not stagnate and shrink.
Some of the brightest students and professionals already come here, but they don't stay.
#1 it's a royal pain in the ass to officially immigrate
#2 the economic prospects suck and have not much indication to get better other than consumer demand.
If you have a young immigrant population, that yes..will take ty lower paying jobs that Americans won't do and spend money here it can and will boost the economy as it has done in this country for centuries.
That money spent here creates more jobs and it starts a domestic spending cycle that benefits everyone (this is what China wants to do real soon). As it stands now, we outsource our dollars+production and prevent that.
Also to answer borat, look it up those migrating to australia were mostly educated, a big difference from the US where most are lacking even a high school diploma. Low skill immigrants are a huge net drain on the working class, numerous studies have proven so just google it for the breakdown of all the details surrounding why this is so.
You're talking about two separate issues here with outsourcing and illegal Mexican immigration. Yes outsourcing is a huge problem, IMO anytime net imports vastly exceeds net exports there is a problem. But outsourcing isn't because of a lack of workers here to do those jobs you silly.
"outsourcing isn't because of a lack of workers here to do those jobs"
yep, plenty of workers here to do those jobs, but not for Chinese pay and benefits. (Actually, there's plenty of jobs the US poor won't do at any price, like pick fruit and veg for less than minimum wage and no benefits)
Don't look now, but the era of cheap chinese labor is coming to a close as workers demand higher wages. As soon as the playing field is leveled a little bit, things will fall into balance. If there were a more even distribution of wealth in this world then people would be able to afford food, even at higher prices due to *GASP*- actually paying the people who pick it a livable wage. What we need to do is attack the source of the problem rather than allowing illegal immigration just to keep the corrupt system going (and keep that money in the pocket of the rich)
Low skill immigrants are a drain? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What do you think Detroit was back in the 10's to 70's? Do you think those workers had PhD's..? Do you think some even graduated high school?
As far as the undo ented low skill guys
Some of these guys you are talking about can put together a house in 30days, overhaul an engine over a weekend, put up a 100ft fence in 2 hours in 100F+ weather and they are low skilled? Do you think Bob Perry is a billionaire for people that are a drain? If Mexico's govt ever got their together to motivate they could be a powerhouse from that type of resilience, instead those people leave.
You know what's a real drain to this society? CEO and Executives that take in millions to billions in bonuses and salaries in high numbers thanks to the taxpayer bailing them out. You're comparison of 1k a month is social services to a family needing welfare does not even compare
In regards to Australia,
Yes, Australia did good with that. Most of those educated net a much lower income there than here (Cost of living is super high in some areas there, its mostly desert), and many end up doing some manual labor (who else is going to do it?). We should be attracting them, but we aren't. They are, they make it easy to immigrate.
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