The Fisher Deal Was A Sweet Cake Deal For Buss and Kobe

[Koolaid_Man]

Though somehow we managed to stuff the bag Duncan under Kobe 5-4.

Ouch...

[Killakobe81]

I get what you are saying, but getting those stars to the big market teams will be more difficult to pull off unless said teams gut their roster every few years.

A sign & trade for a free agent will no longer be an option for a team paying the luxury tax. They have to be signed OUTRIGHT as free agents to contracts LOWER and SHORTER than what the star player could get from their original team. To get those stars, a big market team will have to plan ahead and sign role players to shorter contracts to coincide with the year their "target free agent's" contract is up. Easier said than done, especially when the fan base in those markets is spoiled and wants a "win now" mentality from its team.

But like I said, things will be more like the 2 CBA's ago. the salary escalation started with the last deal. The players bent the Owners over, the dumbass owners were heading out contracts like candy, and that led to this mess.

Now again using the pre shaq Lakers. That team wasnot very good. BEfore they signed Shaq the only members of that core that helped the lakers win a le were fox and Horry. Fox turned down more money to stay in Boston (a big market too) to chase a ty acting career. West stole horry from teh suns cuz he threw a towell in ainge's face. Fisher, Rice, Kobe even ron Harper all came AFTER we got shaq.

Roster turnover is fine. YOu just need the superstar. Look at the sPurs tanking to get duncan brought you guys 4 les If a Dwight duncan Shaq type is available roster purging is not only needed but the smart move.

You gonna gamble that you hit a Pistons type perfect storm? Or would you rather gamble on a superstar in star driven sport?

Im not saying we are gonna get dwight but i believe you trade the moon and stars to get him and even if Kobe breaks down you are still closer to a le than most of the NBA. Superstar driven league ...been watching the NBA 30 years and only 1 team has won one without one ...

[Killakobe81]

I hope you're right.

Lakers and Mavs still dangerous but only a for a few more years (as currently contsructed) ...and Mavs NEED chandler back. No way they beat Heat in a rematch without him ..

[Nathan89]

Mavs will get chandler back. There is no doubt about that.

[Killakobe81]

And i know Dwight is not shaq or duncan ...

Jut saying with the lack of big in the NBA if you have to give up half the team or talke on some ty contracts ...you do it.

Best physical talent outside of Lebron in the current NBA ...

[Killakobe81]

Mavs will get chandler back. There is no doubt about that.

How are you so sure?

[Dunc n Dave]

But like I said, things will be more like the 2 CBA's ago. the salary escalation started with the last deal. The players bent the Owners over, the dumbass owners were heading out contracts like candy, and that led to this mess.

Now again using the pre shaq Lakers. That team wasnot very good. BEfore they signed Shaq the only members of that core that helped the lakers win a le were fox and Horry. Fox turned down more money to stay in Boston (a big market too) to chase a ty acting career. West stole horry from teh suns cuz he threw a towell in ainge's face. Fisher, Rice, Kobe even ron Harper all came AFTER we got shaq.

Roster turnover is fine. YOu just need the superstar. Look at the sPurs tanking to get duncan brought you guys 4 les If a Dwight duncan Shaq type is available roster purging is not only needed but the smart move.

You gonna gamble that you hit a Pistons type perfect storm? Or would you rather gamble on a superstar in star driven sport?

Im not saying we are gonna get dwight but i believe you trade the moon and stars to get him and even if Kobe breaks down you are still closer to a le than most of the NBA. Superstar driven league ...been watching the NBA 30 years and only 1 team has won one without one ...

Yes, it is a superstar driven league. But superstars with no role players won't win a championship. Gasol and his $19 mill salary has a trade kicker, so he can't be traded to get Dwight. Kobe will be making $30mill in a $58 mill cap year. Even if you gut the rest of the roster and trade Odom/Bynum for Dwight, you end up way over the tax threshold with a roster of 5.

Now you need to sign role players with just the MLE and LLE at vet minimum contracts. Might be able to pull it off in 2012-2013 for one last hoorah, but the next season starts the $3.5 to $1 tax for team who are more than $15 million past the $70 mill threshold, which the Lakers will be. Buss will s out over $200 million with taxes in 2013-2014 ALONE.

It's not the NFL, so you can't just cut your overpaid guys to get under the threshold, so you're stuck.

[Killakobe81]

Yes, it is a superstar driven league. But superstars with no role players won't win a championship. Gasol and his $19 mill salary has a trade kicker, so he can't be traded to get Dwight. Kobe will be making $30mill in a $58 mill cap year. Even if you gut the rest of the roster and trade Odom/Bynum for Dwight, you end up way over the tax threshold with a roster of 5.

Now you need to sign role players with just the MLE and LLE at vet minimum contracts. Might be able to pull it off in 2012-2013 for one last hoorah, but the next season starts the $3.5 to $1 tax for team who are more than $15 million past the $70 mill threshold, which the Lakers will be. Buss will s out over $200 million with taxes in 2013-2014 ALONE.

It's not the NFL, so you can't just cut your overpaid guys to get under the threshold, so you're stuck.

I dont "get" how you say he can NOt be traded. Yes he can. Would it make sense for Orlando, with a trade kicker? No. But I admit I have not looked over every minute detail.

Are you saying the new CBA prohibits the Magic for trading for Pau?

And again I am not saying that trade scenario is possible or likely. I dont even care if the roster needs to be gutted. My point is if a superstar is interested in joining your team (if you consider him a superstar) you gut your team to make it happen. YEs your team may look like the Knicks did last year ...but you can find complemntary pieces much easier than a young star center.

My guess is Lakers are stuck with their core or may even decide to just roll with it ... either due to CBA or believing we are STILL close or that Bynum can stay healthy.

I was just saying if it were me, I would make a move for Dwight either now or in the future ...

[Nathan89]

How are you so sure?

Cuban couldn't look himself in the mirror if he let chandler walk after giving the contracts he's gave in the past to bigs.

Besides why wouldn't they? Once they amnesty Haywood they'll have plenty of money to resign players without going to far into the tax. Chandler is priority number one.

[DPG21920]

I agree with Killa with regards to gutting your team to get superstars. Especially when it's a big man. Everyone on LA should be available if Dwight is.

Problem is the money and how expensive it will be, but again, I predict this new CBA will cut down on the number of taxpayers, but you will see an ultra elite class (two teams, with LA being one of them) that spend regardless of the penalty.

[Killakobe81]

I agree with Killa with regards to gutting your team to get superstars. Especially when it's a big man. Everyone on LA should be available if Dwight is.

Problem is the money and how expensive it will be, but again, I predict this new CBA will cut down on the number of taxpayers, but you will see an ultra elite class (two teams, with LA being one of them) that spend regardless of the penalty.

Absolutely. Only players I would take over a star big man is "MJ" 3 years younger Kobe and maybe Lebron. I would take Dwight over EVERYONE else ... pre fat shaq or young tim I would take over Dwight though ...

[Dunc n Dave]

I dont "get" how you say he can NOt be traded. Yes he can. Would it make sense for Orlando, with a trade kicker? No. But I admit I have not looked over every minute detail.

Are you saying the new CBA prohibits the Magic for trading for Pau?

And again I am not saying that trade scenario is possible or likely. I dont even care if the roster needs to be gutted. My point is if a superstar is interested in joining your team (if you consider him a superstar) you gut your team to make it happen. YEs your team may look like the Knicks did last year ...but you can find complemntary pieces much easier than a young star center.

My guess is Lakers are stuck with their core or may even decide to just roll with it ... either due to CBA or believing we are STILL close or that Bynum can stay healthy.

I was just saying if it were me, I would make a move for Dwight either now or in the future ...

The trade kicker escalates Gasol's salary if he's traded. No way Orlando would agree to it, especially for a 32 year old Gasol at that time (next summer).

Now if their hand is forced by Dwight, they'd probably take a 1 year rental of Bynum at $16 million if the other option is Dwight walks to another team (obviously not the Lakers, who will be over the cap).

I agree, if you CAN get a big like Howard, you go for it, but the end result would be 2-3 years of mediocrity for the Lakers because you have a bench full of minimum salary guys. It would take 2-3 years of signing guys to the mini-MLE to fortify their bench enough to contend. By then Kobe is done and/or retired.

No sign & trades allowed
No LLE allowed.
All you have is a $3million offer each year and minimum salaries (and the draft, of course).
Hard to put a team together with those handcuffs on after you've gutted it of talent to get Howard....

[Spur_Fanatic]

Lakers and Knicks don't care about paying tax?

This is a lie. They care. But for the sake of things, let's say they don't. Does it matter?
They are still limited on what they can sign. Unless they find players willing to play for vet min, etc; their cap is the same as the other teams.

[Giuseppe]

I hope you're right, Luva.

[Koolaid_Man]

The natives are already restless. Buss will be forced to gamble just to win another le during Kobe's last three years. Anything less than a contender on the floor and Time Warner will start getting antsy. You need star power to deliver on a deal like that.

Preach on Rev....a noogah ain't been to Chuch in awhile...I need that spiritual enlightenment....